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Mueller Time (SCO thread v. 35)



What's striking is how obviously the arguments are made in bad faith. No one here willing to embarrass themselves by defending Trump would defend Obama if he had done any of this. He would have been impeached and convicted a year ago.
 
You can always tell which side thinks they lost the debate. The first side that starts asking us to not focus on the contents of the words actually spoken, but instead on something vague like "the energy of the investigation."

I mean, which do you think is substantively more important? That this hearing established:

1) The Russian state stole documents from the democratic party; offered to share them with the trump team; that trump team knew they were stolen and were thrilled to have them and offered the russian finacial favors in exchange for them; lied about all these meetings; and lied about trump having any financial stake in russia, when in fact he had a massive financial tie to the kremlin.

or

2) Mueller looks old.

Which of these two things that came out of these hearings do you think is more important?

3) Once again @Darkballs and the goof troop look like fools in version 35 of the ‘this is it’ thread......as once again nothing was gained. I like the persistence though, A+ for effort
 
Wow. OK. I can't relate to the dismissal of the nature of the information sourcing (investigating legally vs. illegally hacking), but I guess it's an unbridgeable moral divide (I think it is morally wrong to break into private communications but not to ask questions). But also note that the Steele dossier wasn't for public consumption and wasn't leaked until after the election was over, while Russia's illegally obtained information was publicly released in a misleading way right when Trump's campaign needed help.



That's not true, and there's no evidence at all that there was anything inappropriate done. It's only "obviously partisan" because Trump obstructed the investigation and needs a way to defend himself in the face of the evidence. You can admit that, right? You can be honest, can't you? You really expect anyone to believe that you think that Trump would acknowledge a fair investigation to be fair? That doesn't even sound like a plausible lie.
I think trump reacted like a non-attorney blowhard to a witch-hunt investigation.

Both sides have valid points, and neither side is the good guy looking to expose ultimate truth.
 
Wow. OK. I can't relate to the dismissal of the nature of the information sourcing (investigating legally vs. illegally hacking), but I guess it's an unbridgeable moral divide (I think it is morally wrong to break into private communications but not to ask questions). But also note that the Steele dossier wasn't for public consumption and wasn't leaked until after the election was over, while Russia's illegally obtained information was publicly released in a misleading way right when Trump's campaign needed help.
Just how we look at it differently. If it's wrong, it's wrong regardless of how the information is obtain is my take. I do agree though that the information that helped Trump did so in more timely fashion and with an ultimately bigger impact.

What's actually kinda of funny is that Hillary's campaign sought and paid for foreign information sourced through a Brit from Russian sources about Trump working with Russian sources and the FBI starts an investigation into all things Trump based off that. Information obtained from foreign nationals about someone obtaining information from foreign nationals that led to domestic authorities spying on domestic citizens.
 
Devin Nunes could be charged with Murder after today.....
 
I think trump reacted like a non-attorney blowhard to a witch-hunt investigation.

What makes it a witch hunt? Any president would be investigated after something like that happened. Even many Republicans would have been outraged if it was just swept under the rug. And after finding what they found, it was inevitable that Trump would try to bring partisanship into it.
 
Just how we look at it differently. If it's wrong, it's wrong regardless of how the information is obtain is my take.

It is wrong. And paying for research isn't wrong.

What's actually kinda of funny is that Hillary's campaign sought and paid for foreign information sourced through a Brit from Russian sources about Trump working with Russian sources and the FBI starts an investigation into all things Trump based off that. Information obtained from foreign nationals about someone obtaining information from foreign nationals that led to domestic authorities spying on domestic citizens.

I think your understanding of the events is wrong, and so much so that it would require a lot of work to get you up to speed on it.
 
What's actually kinda of funny is that Hillary's campaign sought and paid for foreign information sourced through a Brit from Russian sources about Trump working with Russian sources and the FBI starts an investigation into all things Trump based off that.
Neither funny or true.
 
The misinformation is crazy in here. There was a poster earlier saying Manafort shared polling data with Russia. It's as if some posters just spew bullshit
 
The misinformation is crazy in here. There was a poster earlier saying Manafort shared polling data with Russia. It's as if some posters just spew bullshit

Huh? That's a true statement that was widely reported on.
 
Interview = Interrogation?!?

So you were "interrogated" before you got your job?

<SelenaWow>

When law enforcement questions you in the course of an investigation, it’s an interrogation. When you are a subject, target, or suspect in that investigation, you are well advised to decline such an interrogation. It will never work out in your favor. If there is a threat of compulsory process, you are well advised to invoke your Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination. That advice applies whether you’re innocent or guilty.
 
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