Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by jake12, Mar 27, 2008.
hey this is a newbie question, should i trian in karate or muay thai, which is better for combat?
I dont know if you are trolling but I would go with Muay Thai just because it has more things you can work with..Elbows,knees, kicks, punches,clinches..
Yeah, I kind of thought this was a joke, too. If not, definitely go with Muay Thai. In my opinion the best stand up fighting technique. So much better than karate. Muay Thai uses all 8 points of contact and teaches a strong clinch, as well as so many good effective combinations.
And, if possible, definitely learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!
nope im not trolling just a guy who is new to martial arts asking a simple question, thanks for your guy's help
Both are good styles, but muay thai has a lot more aspects to its game. You'll develop good kicks if you go with karate. I'm assuming this is kyokushin or some other form that practices full contact sparring.
praying mantis kung fu
elbows, knees, kicks, punches... If thats what muay thai has then what is left for karate or even boxing and kick boxing? Come on I love muay thai and think its a great style but if your gonna say something good about it make sense. :icon_chee
Karate in the states is not as hardcore as it is in Japan
Yea you really have to scout to find a good karate gym. I trained in one a while back when i was younger that did full contact sparring where we worked elbows and knees and ground fighting and what not. All depends on the school you go to. Other then that just evaluate what you have in your area. Im just lucky there is an MMA school right next to my college
For a complete standup you really need a mix of MT, Karate and Boxing. You can also sprinkle on whatever else you like. A little TKD for high kick flair, some JKD, some Kung Fu, etc...
If you can only do one, MT comes closest to being complete, but like Joe Rogan said (lol) its a brawler style and low on technique high on throwing lots of techs out in a round. It lacks a lot when it comes to kicks that you can only get it Karate. MT also has punches but nothing like Boxing. I would start with one and be prepared to add in the others if you want to be well rounded.
I call bullshit; since when is muay thai lacking in kicks?
There is no right answer to these questions. But you can start by asking yourself:
1) Is either school more accessible? How about priceworthy?
2) What kind of "Karate" are we talking about? I dunno about Muay Thai, but there is a profusion of styles, sub-styles, and systems of Karate (i.e. Goju-Ryu, Isshin-Ryu, Wado-Ryu, Kyokushin...). Many have differeing methodologies for training and fighting; does the one at the Karate school you're looking at meet with your own goals for training?
3) What are your goals? Exercise? Sport? Self-defense?
4) Who runs the Muay Thai school vs. the Karate school? Who does the actual teaching? What are their qualifications, credentials, and experiences?
5) Do they spar? if so, how often, and with what intensity? Is the answer in line with your own goals?
6) How might you describe the caliber and skill of the students either school produces? Do you know anyone who trains at either?
7) Do you know anything about the culture of either school? Are they training serious people with worthwhile goals in an ethical manner? Or are they turning out a bunch of Cobra Kai assholes who want to be badasses and beat people up?
...there may be more. I'm sure some folks can add to this list. But you won't get a good answer without doing your homework, and nobody here can give you one absent good info.
Rogan is the worst source for striking information. The guy knows his BJJ, but in anything else he's pretty retarded.
seriously. if he said it, do the opposite.
I'm assuming you mean what should you train for the purpose of FIGHTING!
Being a shotokan karate black belt, i would say go with both.
The following only reflects the fighting aspect of karate.
Karate's good points:
-Works up your balance
-Improves your reflexes
-gives you great sense of the correct distance to hit/avoid being hit
-More striking/defensive options.
Karate's bad points:
-too much time spent on technique rather than actual fighting
-no full contact sparring (for the most part)
-A lot of its techniques quite simply just don't work on a real fight.
I am a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and a brown in shotokan. I have studied martial arts from the age of five. I started Muay Thai less than 2 months ago and am startled by the difference between them. I agree wholeheartedly with the above post but one thing I noticed that is missed by the average TMA and Muay Thai (although I can argue that Muay Thai is a TMA) is that the average Karate or TKD school doesnt focus on conditioning to a great extent. The fact remains, if you dont have cardio and conditioning you wont last in a fight.
Oh and fuck what Rogan says about stand up. First of all the "Muay Thai" in MMA is drasticly different from pure muay thai. Muay Thai focuses alot on technique, look at Anderson, he is the most schooled striker in the UFC.
And karate doesen't utilize these techniques? I'm sorry but you really don't know what you are talking about. Please do your research before you go start giving out advice.
Thanks for pointing that out. I bet 90% of the posters in this thread do not even realize that K-1 was started by Kyokushin and Seido-kan fighters.
Muay Thai is always the better choice because it is very straightforward & practical, yet basic. Anyone with other striking martial arts experience can pick up Muay Thai in a matter of weeks. Kyokushin/Seidokan take much more time as they are more complex, but also very useful.
If you watch the Kyokushin fighters in K-1, at least the good ones, you will see a clear difference vs Muay Thai. Chambered kicks, spinkicks, spinning backfists, spinning sweeps, spinning backkicks, axe kicks, it's pretty awesome. But requires much longer training.
Combination of both (along with boxing) make for a multi-dimensional striking style. It's always good to acquire the technique of both and be able to mix up thai kicks with karate kicks.
I'll agree with these statements only if they pertain to a specific style that only focuses on SPORT competition, like um I don't know maybe Shotokan? Your last point especialy.
I'll agree there are plenty of McDojo's out there that has watered down Karate to almost a joke, but don't throw out blanket statements over a whole Martial Art based on a few bad Styles/dojo's.
As for the TS, go out and find a Muay Thai gym and a decent Karate Dojo. Take some free classes, talk to the students, instructors, and take what you think bests suits you. Thats about the best advice I could give.
Separate names with a comma.