Muay Thai or Boxing?

[jlagman]

no oranges, because they have better takedown defense.

an apple would get taken down and pounded out by a banana with ease the way they stand.

Don't forget that apples have to severely modify their stance and become more flat footed otherwise they're more prone to takedowns. But a world class apple with takedown defense would dominate the world of Mixed Fruit Salad.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Both. Muay Thai absorbed a huge ammount from western boxing back in the day so they have long held similarities. Boxers tend to have better footwork and hands and use angles better, Kickboxers tend to have more utility, the clinch game is a lot more evolved, kicking obviously, with good movement you can dictate the distance of the fight very well. Both are great. Regular sparring against both sets of fighters can only equate to improvement. I always had an interest in both sports, so i learned both. If you manage it correctly and use your brain it's very easy to get a good flow between the two skillsets.

Most grounded, un-biased post in the thread.

Train both, and use what you like. Understand that at given points in a fight, techniques from both can be utilized.

I got Saenchai in my avatar, and I'm watching a Freddie Roach instructional right now...

 

[RuDOWN4It]

You really don't know anything about Muay Thai do you??? Firstly theres no reason that people don't trap another person in the corner in Muay Thai I do it all the time.
I will agree with you that Boxing has better footwork, Thats probably true but people can be trapped and stalked in Muay Thai as well.

I don't know which is better for sprawling as both aren't designed to defend the take down, Especially boxing as there are Throws in Muay Thai you have to defend with mainly balance, I'd say the average MT v Boxer being shot at by a Wrestler, The MT guy will do better because purely these days, Most people who train MT will do some MMA, Atleast more than most ppl who do Boxing.

Your last setance makes no sense, Its very easy to get in that close on an untrained person and block what they have and then clinch/ knee the fuck out of them.


TS: For a start it's a dumbass question to post to be honest because people who train Boxing will say do Boxing and people who train Muay Thai will say Muay Thai.
My 2 Cents:
If this "fight" you are talking about is on the street then do Muay Thai as it's very easy to break your hand in a streetfight on someone's head so if you do Boxing and you land a one two with someone's head down, You've fucked up your knuckles and there still infront of you, If your going to use Muay Thai, Then you can kick their legs, which really fucks untrained people up, clinch in close and elbow/knee. E.g. your less likely to injury yourself.

If this "fight" is meaning an MMA match then both have their advantages, Both are very effective and you have to pick what style you wish to use!

You really can't read, can you? What's the first sentence I wrote in the post you quoted? I just said MT guys trap guys in the corner, but it's just not done as much as in boxing. In boxing, people are moving at a much faster pace, so in order to trap someone in the corner, you need to have great footwork. In MT, you are pretty much walking most of the time, so you get less chances to trap someone in a corner.

As for the sprawling question, my personal opinion is that boxers sprawl a lot better compared to a MT guy, just because he doesn't have to adjust much to get into a defensive wrestling position to sprawl. Where as a MT guy is standing straight up, probably standing only on one leg, so he has to do a lot more in order to get in position for a good sprawl.

And what's with you comparing a boxer's ability to sprawl with a MT guy who's had MMA training experience? Would it make my argument stronger if I say a boxer who won the gold in freestyle wrestling at the 2009 Olympics can sprawl better than a MT guy?

 

[Payak]

i have trained in both for a long time.
it's hardly a revelation to know that a boxer will win under boxing rules and a thai under thai rules.
in mma it will depend on the fighters skill,strategy and intelligence.
in the street it will come down to who gets in first with the finishing move.
learn both as they compliment each other perfectly.
don't listen to bullshit about muay thai having worse footwork and no angles however,that comes from people on here who know next to nothing about real muay thai.

 

[Pro Killer]

You really can't read, can you? What's the first sentence I wrote in the post you quoted? I just said MT guys trap guys in the corner, but it's just not done as much as in boxing. In boxing, people are moving at a much faster pace, so in order to trap someone in the corner, you need to have great footwork. In MT, you are pretty much walking most of the time, so you get less chances to trap someone in a corner.

As for the sprawling question, my personal opinion is that boxers sprawl a lot better compared to a MT guy, just because he doesn't have to adjust much to get into a defensive wrestling position to sprawl. Where as a MT guy is standing straight up, probably standing only on one leg, so he has to do a lot more in order to get in position for a good sprawl.

And what's with you comparing a boxer's ability to sprawl with a MT guy who's had MMA training experience? Would it make my argument stronger if I say a boxer who won the gold in freestyle wrestling at the 2009 Olympics can sprawl better than a MT guy?

I just said it's more likely a Nak Muay will have trained other things opposed to Boxers so the average MT guy will be less likely to be taken down.
I don't know why you assume Muay Thai fighters stand up straight, a guy at my gym has the stance with left leg pointing to opponent right leg 90degree angle (normal) but crouches down alot, And he's a much better fighter than me. We don't stand up straight chin in the air or anything!

 

[Wolfwood]

which ever one you like better
seriously I train muay thai primarily even though I have bouts in both
becasue I like it more
the attrition rate is horrible in all combat sports
your best bet at actually sticking with it unlike 95+percent of the people that join a gym is to do something you love to do

 

[Pinoy Badboy**]

Just to be biased, choose boxing....

My beloved Muay Thai don't need no indecisive ppl like you....

 

[kickboxing_fan1]

If you look at anderson silva he was very muay thai in his style before he came to the ufc. Then in his first fight with Chris Leben he came out using a bouncing on his toes movement most commonly associated with amateur boxing and sent him running into the cage when he tried to force a clinch and blasted him with power punches. He also used techniques such as a double jab which you don't see in muay thai whilst also keeping the thai shink kicks, knee's, neck wrestling and elbows. Basically I would say do a bit of both and combine the two for what suits you better.

Slipping punches is a technique which which is basically useless in muay thai because it will start a clinch battle where you won't be upright enough to defend yourself. Slipping punches in mma can work to set up takedowns; shogun slipped a punch against chuck liddel and got a fairly easy double underhooks takedown where it wouldn't take an awesome wrestler to finish a takedown.

I definitely wouldn't say any boxing training is a waste of time just because thai fighters throw punches.

 

[shera]

Both have proven worthwile in the cage and ring. Anderson Silva, Kenny Florian are at the top of their divisions and they chose Muay Thai. Boxing worked for Noguiera.

Pick the one you feel better doing. Also, if you kick like a bitch, like many of the so called "MMA fighters" at my gym, please stick to boxing.

 

[kickboxing_fan1]

Both have proven worthwile in the cage and ring. Anderson Silva, Kenny Florian are at the top of their divisions and they chose Muay Thai. Boxing worked for Noguiera.

I don't think kenny florian is really representative of muay thai. He stands with his heels on the floor at all times; no boxing trainer or muay thai trainer would tell you to have your heels on the ground at any time except at times when your throwing a powerful strike. He can shin kick an elbow but he's not really a thai fighter he doesn't use knee's and teeps either.

 

[zack]

i personally like boxing more. ive done both. and call me crazy but i really think boxing is alot more complicated.

 

[Pinoy Badboy**]

I don't think kenny florian is really representative of muay thai. He stands with his heels on the floor at all times; no boxing trainer or muay thai trainer would tell you to have your heels on the ground at any time except at times when your throwing a powerful strike. He can shin kick an elbow but he's not really a thai fighter he doesn't use knee's and teeps either.

He goes to Thailand regularly and sometimes does the archer movement that you see in Waikru in the MMA ring.

Not to mention he is part of team sityodthong with Dellagrotte who is well experience in Muay Thai. I'd say he's a big fan of Muay Thai.

Just saying.

 

[Pro Killer]

I agree that Florian is very much a Muay Thai fighter, One of the best in MMA.