Muay Thai and Boxing combination?

[mingsy**]

I took boxing first before muay thai..thus I had the foundations (balance, coordination, stamina, hand strength etc..) Ive seen people who took up muay thai first, and their punches are not that solid

 

[EWhite77]

Soooo, what if I wasn't going to compete? What if it was a street fight, would you say just Muay Thai, or both? Because, I am going to train in Muay Thai regardless.

Steet fighting is more about your approach than the style you train. Unless of course that style is Krav Maga or Jeet Kune Do both of which are aimed specifically at no rules fighting. Striking points change. Aim at the groin instead of the leg or at the throat instead of the chin. Rake the eyes instead of hooking to the temple. Manipulate small joints. Bite. Claw. If you wanna throw a Thai clinch on somebody grab him by the hair or the ears so he can't pull away.

 

[Muay o Muay]

The op has just invented a new sport muay thai and boxing...thai boxing ! ....oh..doh.

 

[SAAMAG]

The punches are identical today in both systems sporting techniques; but the approach...the guard, the upper body movement, the stance, and the strategy are all different.

 

[EWhite77]

The punches are identical today in both systems sporting techniques; but the approach...the guard, the upper body movement, the stance, and the strategy are all different.

Not quite. I've never seen a boxer throw a spinning back fist. An elbow maybe :icon_lol: but no spinning back fist.

 

[SAAMAG]

Not quite. I've never seen a boxer throw a spinning back fist. An elbow maybe :icon_lol: but no spinning back fist.

I didn't say the styles contained the same tools! HAHA good try.

I said the punches (which is implied that we're talking about the jab, cross, hook, uppercut, overhand, and the like) are virtually the same. But I'll rephrase...the punches of boxing all exist in muay thai, and are mechanically done in nearly identical fashion with exception to the pre-mentioned items in my first post.

 

[Snubnoze707]

The two have been integrated with each other for over half a decade.

 

[EWhite77]

I didn't say the styles contained the same tools! HAHA good try.

I said the punches (which is implied that we're talking about the jab, cross, hook, uppercut, overhand, and the like) are virtually the same. But I'll rephrase...the punches of boxing all exist in muay thai, and are mechanically done in nearly identical fashion with exception to the pre-mentioned items in my first post.

See that's my understanding of it. I thought that muay thai had adapted a lot of techniques from boxing (as far as the hand techniques go anyway) to be included with there more traditional repitoir of strikes in order to evolve into what muay thai has become today. Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Aaron Perls]

Not quite. I've never seen a boxer throw a spinning back fist. An elbow maybe :icon_lol: but no spinning back fist.

That's the rules, not "what works".

Queensbury rules don't allow a number of effective boxing techniques.

 

[Discipulus]

See that's my understanding of it. I thought that muay thai had adapted a lot of techniques from boxing (as far as the hand techniques go anyway) to be included with there more traditional repitoir of strikes in order to evolve into what muay thai has become today. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Muay Thai traditionally includes all the basic punches of boxing. The techniques were a bit different, but it's always included punching. In fact, I believe the reason that Thai boxers switched from the rope-wraps to gloves was because a fighter was killed by a punch in the ring.

Traditional Thai boxing actually uses a lot of uppercuts and hooking punches, as well as straight punches. Here are some "plays" of Muay Boran. As far as I can tell, the video is pretty accurate. Someone with more knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong.



Specifically note the punching sequence at 1:19.

Somewhat unrelated but... how fucking cool is the rear punch to rear high round knee combo at 4:00? That's some serious Ong Bak shit there. I would love nothing more than to see that happen in a fight.

 

[mofunky]

You should train for the ruleset you will be competing in. Some thai boxers rely much more on their hands but you won't even get to do that unless you are able to handle kicks, elbows, clinch game.

If you haven't seen much MT, you need to see this HL of Samart:

Man, I'm not bashing him or anything but does the knockdown at 3:45 kinda look fake to anyone else?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Man, I'm not bashing him or anything but does the knockdown at 3:45 kinda look fake to anyone else?

No. Dude got cracked with an uppercut hard enough to create whiplash....

 

[Dragonborn]

Soooo, what if I wasn't going to compete? What if it was a street fight, would you say just Muay Thai, or both? Because, I am going to train in Muay Thai regardless.

I would say both, but don't rush the training since you're a beginner. Especially for Muay Thai, TKD, etc, you want to start light on a heavy bag and some pads or else you might end up injuring yourself. The first time you make shin-shin contact it's gonna hurt so you might wanna prepare for it.

The thing I had a problem with the most was letting my shins and instep recover from the training. I wanted to be one of those guys that could kick a banana tree down in 2-3 minutes as early as possible lol Learn from my mistake and be patient!!

Another important thing is your technique: for boxing make sure your wrists are well protected, they should have more protection than your knuckles. You should only hit the bag w/out protection if you have a firm, comfortable punch.

For hand protection, you should buy hand wraps, light gloves, and heavy gloves. For leg protection, you can buy shin guards and the foot wraps which is primarily for protecting your ankles. I don't recommend buying any protection for your legs if you're just starting out.

 

[aries]

I'm not saying this to be a smart ass, but if you're serious about self defense, you want to get a concealed carry permit.

Cuz if someone is trying to kill you, they aren't going to do it with boxing. They're going to do it with knives and six friends.

And what if you don't live in a country that allows any kind of firearm?

 

[Reinhard]

Don't do Muay Thai first. Boxing first, for maybe six months to a year. Get the basics down pat and then transition into Muay Thai. I know those numbers sound big, but it'll all pay off in the end and transitioning from boxing into Muay Thai will be a lot easier than vice versa. So when you finally get into Muay Thai you'll have a good base to start on and will be at least conditioned and competent in fighting and training.

Punches are the most common thing you'll see in street combat, be good at that and you'll be just fine in defending yourself when it comes down to it. Even against multiple attackers (although I will recommend running away before you even think of trying to take on 2+ attackers). You won't be using knees, kicks and clinching too much in a street fight.

Edit:
Starting both at the same time is not a very good idea.