Mr.Putin points out US's and War Room's ridiculous hypocrisy

Limit Smasher said:
None of them care. They just hate Trump.
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There are probably more people that justify it by saying that the US is doing it for noble reasons. USA # 1, etc.

Putin is right in that the rest of the world does their best incredulous Cormier impression at the thought of the US complaining about meddling.
 
I'm not okay with our meddling either. Not that I get much of a say in whether or not we do, which deflates the idea that being upset with Russia's interference constitutes hypocrisy.
 
Nothing says alpha/MAGA/libruls are cucks like justifying a foreign dictatorship attacking your own country through whataboutism. Such strength and dignity.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin posts in WR from time to time
 
So then why do we worry about terrorist attacks? I mean we've bombed the shit out of places, so it's only fair if people do the same to us. Right?

That's the continuation of this non-thought process.
 
He says it best, does not really matter to them who resides in the white house.

Murican policy stays mostly the same.
 
No one gives me a legit answer.

In what physical ways could Russia alter the election?
Only response so far have been , Russia posted fake stories on Facebook?

All day I hear on the news, Russia absolutely interfered in the election.

But they never say specifically how

Hacked voting machines
Trump lost popular vote
Oh so Russians got to the elected officials, electorals..

What worse could Russia have done then Comey coming out just before the election that they will investigate Hillary for criminal activities?

Didint Comey put the last nail in Clinton's coffin?
 
I'm very much against the US meddling in any Democratic process of a foreign country. Putin got caught this time, and the US had to respond. It's that simple. Or are you saying that bc our government has engaged in actions similar, we the people should just accept a foreign adversary directly interfering with our elections resulting in no consequences?

There's been a lot of bad shit our government has done over the years, which has created significant blowback towards us. That doesn't mean we should just bend over and take that blowback.
 
Ling Ling said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/...y-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html
https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/
The US has meddled in more elections than any other country and far more substantially than anything that has been alleged against Russia.
I'm not a fan of Russia but I haven't seen any compelling evidence that it was in fact Russia that did what has been alleged.
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Obama OPENLY campaigns for Macron...... I guess it's not meddling if you're upfront about it.....
 
SiKnSiN said:
I'm very much against the US meddling in any Democratic process of a foreign country. Putin got caught this time, and the US had to respond. It's that simple. Or are you saying that bc our government has engaged in actions similar, we the people should just accept a foreign adversary directly interfering with our elections resulting in no consequences?

There's been a lot of bad shit our government has done over the years, which has created significant blowback towards us. That doesn't mean we should just bend over and take that blowback.
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Got caught doing what?
What physical ways did Russia alter the election?
 
Sadly this all comes down to hilary lost. Somewhat mentioned Russia and the Democrats liberals said run with it.

Absolutely nothing there, but let the media keep pushing it
 
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chardog said:
Obama OPENLY campaigns for Macron...... I guess it's not meddling if you're upfront about it.....
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Was he open and upfront about these ?
Kenya

Investigative reporter Jerome Corsi of WorldNetDaily broke this story when he visited Kenya and was able to confirm that Obama, as a U.S. Senator, illegally used a taxpayer-financed trip to campaign for far-left presidential candidate Raila Odinga in Kenya’s 2006 elections.

Odinga, according to the BBC, was distantly related to Obama and both families belonged to the Luo tribe. Indeed, both of their fathers served in the administration of Jomo Kenyatta in the 1960s. According to a document obtained by Corsi, Odinga promised Kenya’s growing Islamic movement that if elected, he would “rewrite the constitution of Kenya to recognize Sharia as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared religions.” The secret agreement also called for the creation of Muslim “madrassa classes,” a crackdown on Christian evangelical events and gospel programs, and legal protections for Muslims suspected of terrorism, even international terrorism.
Obama’s cheerleading for anti-American Odinga (who named his son after Fidel Castro) “was more than reckless,” wrote former U.S. attorney Andrew McCarthy, “it was borderline criminal (and that’s being generous).” McCarthy also said Obama’s intervention was an “outrageous contravention of U.S. policy and, [referring to the Logan Act] probably, federal law.”
By 2010, this tribal connection resulted in President Obama quietly transferring millions of U.S. tax dollars to Odinga’s government, including $2 million to convince Kenyan voters to vote for a new constitution. According to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the new constitution would force Kenyans to be “subjected to these [Islamic] tribunals merely by virtue of what religious community they were born into…” Some members of Congress actually called for an investigation but, typically, nothing ever came of it. By the end of 2010, hundreds of millions of dollars flowed to Kenya from a myriad of U.S. agencies such as USAID, all with the likely intent of boosting the popularity of the Odinga regime.

Israel

During Israel’s 2015 elections, the Obama administration — led by Secretary of State John Kerry — illegally intervened when they attempted to defeat the reelection of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by covertly funneling State Department grants to opposition groups. The Obama administration detested Netanyahu due to his refusal to cave into Palestinian demands, a group that even refused to recognize the existence of Israel.

Obama’s State Department gave $350,000 to a group called the “One Voice Movement (OVM),” for supporting “peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine.” However, the State Department then used leftover funds to organize an effort against Netanyahu’s reelection. OVM contracted out a group called “V15,” which in turned hired five campaign experts from the U.S., including Obama’s field director from his last presidential campaign. As the Weekly Standard’s Jim Swift wrote, “once the infrastructure was built, it was used in an attempt to topple the government of one of America’s closest allies.”

An investigation by the U.S. Senate found that the “State Department failed to adequately guard against the risk that resources built with government grants would be deployed for political purposes.” As with most investigations of Obama scandals, emails documenting this illegal election activity were destroyed. And, as usual, no one was held accountable.

Macedonia

The government watchdog group, Judicial Watch, obtained government documents that “show the U.S. government has quietly spent millions of taxpayer dollars to destabilize the democratically elected, center-right government in Macedonia by colluding with leftwing, billionaire philanthropist George Soros.” Indeed, Obama’s ambassador to Macedonia, Jeff Baily, worked to funnel millions of dollars from the State Department and USAID to groups created by Soros which were, according to JW, working to overthrow the conservative government.

More details about this intervention were exposed by Victor Gaetan in a series of exposés in The American Spectator. Gaetan has confirmed that Soros, in conjuction with the Obama administration, “financed a left-wing agenda to divide the nation and bring a socialist-Muslim coalition to power.” Incredibly, Obama’s USAID “selected Soros’ Foundation Open Society Macedonia (FOSM) to manage $2.5 million in taxpayers’ dollars earmarked for oxymoronic ‘democracy building,’ an amount increased to $4.8 million two years later.”

This funding was directed to a coalition of socialist groups that work in conjunction with the Social Democrat Union of Macedonia (SDSM), a socialist party with close ties to Soros. The intervention is, incredibly, still ongoing with the result being chaos and disruptive street demonstrations. Gaetan’s investigative work also indicates that Obama’s agencies intervened politically with a number of other Balkan counties, including Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania and Greece. It appears the Trump administration knows little about such interventions since many leftist Obama-appointed ambassadors continue to hold on to their positions. And USAID funds continue to pour into leftist political groups in the Balkans as if Trump never came to power. Indeed, as one Macedonia Member of Parliament quoted by Gaetan said, “Under Obama’s ideological programs, it [USAID] became the super crack of the left.”

Libya

In 2011, Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, not only interfered politically in Libya but militarily as well, by orchestrating a series of policies designed to remove Muammar Gaddafi from power. While it would be a stretch to call Gaddafi a U.S. ally, he was cooperating with the U.S.A. in fighting Islamic extremists and had turned over all his WMDs to American officials. Western investment was flowing into Libya, the country was becoming more westernized and, most certainly, it was no longer a threat to the USA.

As NR wrote, “all that vanished when Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice ordered the bombings that turned Libya into a terrorist paradise.” One explanation for the abrupt attack on Libya was that Gaddafi was a rival to the Saudis over the leadership of the Islamic faith and since the Saudis had contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, Secretary Clinton had, as usual, a money motive to intervene in Libya.

The opposition to Gaddafi’s regime was led by the Libyan Transitional National Council, whose leaders include many radical Muslims such as Abdel Hakim Belhaj. Belhaj also headed an al-Qaeda affiliate called the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), which was designated a terrorist organization by the State Department.

Nevertheless, Obama spent at least $1 billion to fund a military operation to topple Gaddafi, with American soldiers actually fighting alongside jihadist-dominated rebel groups. Moreover, the Washington Times reported that the “CIA was providing covert assistance to elements of the Transitional National Council,” again, a group dominated by radical jihadists. Under Obama, Libya was transformed from a moderate Islamic regime which posed no threat to the USA, to a violent wasteland dominated by various ISIS and al-Qaeda linked militias.

Honduras

Shortly after Obama was elected, leftist Honduran president Manual Zelaya attempted to illegally amend the Honduran Constitution so as to allow himself to serve as President longer than one term. Incredibly, Zelaya and a mob broke into a military installation where blank ballots were stored and tried to hold a constitutional referendum without the support of the election authorities. As a result, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, he was forcefully removed from office as Honduran law calls for.

Obama attacked Zelaya’s removal, falsely calling it a “coup d’état” and a WikiLeaks cable revealed that Obama backed Zelaya’s reinstatement in order to please Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, who, like Fidel Castro, was an ally of Zelaya. Instead of supporting the right of Hondurans to remove their president for unconstitutional actions, Obama tried to pressure Honduras into reinstating Zelaya by freezing all non-humanitarian aid. That didn’t happen and Zelaya went into exile.

Eventually, new elections were held and a new president elected, but there’s little doubt that the Obama administration meddled in the Honduran political process in an effort to support the hard left in that country. Indeed, when Obama announced that he supported the return of Zelaya from exile, Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen announced “Now that everything is in place for Zelaya’s return, there are no more false reasons for the Obama administration to continue its pressure tactics against those in Honduras who opposed Zelaya’s attacks on their country’s constitution and the rule of law.”

Egypt

Like Libya, the Obama administration encouraged opposition to President Hosni Mubarak and intervened in elections to ensure that a radical Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohammed Morsi, was elected president. Obama’s State Department even gave political training to MB leaders. Again, similar to Gadhafi, Mubarak was relatively secular and Egypt was becoming increasingly westernized. He was an ally of the U.S.A. and an opponent of radical jihadists.

And the Obama administration was open about its efforts. The Los Angeles Times reported that the “Obama administration said for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned islamist organization…” The MB’s mission statement states, “Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” Sounds like a group Obama would support. Indeed, one of the Egyptian MB leaders, Gehad el-Haddad, was actually on the Clinton Foundation payroll while working to help bring the MB to power. Once Morsi appeared to win what was likely a rigged election, Obama poured in $1.5 billion in foreign aid.

The Egyptian people were so upset with Obama’s intervention, they forcefully removed Morsi and installed a pro-American moderate Muslim named Abdel Fattah al-Sisi as president. Morsi was then arrested by the Egyptian military for treason. But even after that, as reported by Western Journalism, Obama’s “State Department hosts Muslim Brotherhood-aligned leaders” in order to “work against this world-be reformer’s government.”
 
The United States dropped an atomic bomb on another country. Therefore, the United States doesn't have the right to disapprove of other countries dropping atomic bombs on it. They should say, "well, let's not be hypocrites," grab their ankles, and let that other country bomb with impunity. We also invaded sovereign countries, so we should allow countries to invade us. And these are the same morons who claim that they're patriots and have no problem being hypocritical in just about any other way and relying on the default of "if the US can do it, it's okay because no one will step up to us" when posters like myself point out what a piece of shit we are on the international stage.


Anyways, it's hilarious that moron conservatives are now using the US's foreign election meddling, which has been carried out primarily by GOP administrations and opposed regularly by the far left, to downplay other countries meddling in our elections to elect GOP leaders.

It's almost as if right-wingers have no principle or shame.
 
Bloodworth said:
Got caught doiing what?
What physical ways did Russia alter the election?
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Got caught meddling in our Presidential election. The USAO layed out some of the actions very clearly. Actions backed by our IC, a grand jury, Trump's own appointees, and today Trump himself.

Oh, and the charge isn't "altering".
 
I could see citizens of countries not of the US siding with Putin, but I don't get why US citizens do...
 
Trotsky said:
The United States dropped an atomic bomb on another country. Therefore, the United States doesn't have the right to disapprove of other countries dropping atomic bombs on it. They should say, "well, let's not be hypocrites," grab their ankles, and let that other country bomb with impunity. We also invaded sovereign countries, so we should allow countries to invade us. And these are the same morons who claim that they're patriots and have no problem being hypocritical in just about any other way and relying on the default of "if the US can do it, it's okay because no one will step up to us" when posters like myself point out what a piece of shit we are on the international stage.


Anyways, it's hilarious that moron conservatives are now using the US's foreign election meddling, which has been carried out primarily by GOP administrations and opposed regularly by the far left, to downplay other countries meddling in our elections to elect GOP leaders.

It's almost as if right-wingers have no principle or shame.
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Hey, I bet these guys were nodding their heads after 9/11 and saying "well, we killed some civilians in the middle East.....sooo it's all good. We're even!"
 
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