Most Sanders Supporters NOT willing to pay for his Revolution

[CableandThanos]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...-willing-to-pay-for-his-revolution/ar-BBrLfpd

Two in three Sanders supporters don't want to pay more than $1,000, or at all, for universal health care
About 66 percent of Sanders supporters said they wouldn't be willing to pay more than an additional $1,000 in taxes for universal health care. This includes the 8 percent of Sanders supporters who aren't willing to pay anything at all.

When we asked what percentage of their income they would pay, rather than a dollar figure, voters seem to be a bit more generous.

While half of Sanders supporters said they aren't willing to pay or that they're only willing to pay less than 5 percent of their income, a quartersaid they would pay between 5 and 10 percent.



Dat der math and economics (and reality), always been troubling for Liberals

 

[bad seed]

This is why I dislike Liberals and Democrats. Unwilling to dig the dirt necessary to bring progress.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Of course not, they want to spend your money for their healthcare.

But to give it a bit of perspective - the average cost for the "free health care" canadians get is about 11k per household

 

[uncommon]

Tack onto that free college paid for by a tax on traders. traders then shift the inaccuracy of price discovery to the cost on consumers.

the poorest will have increased expenditures relative to their net worths.

and then we can argue about the extra costs incurred to employ females from paid maternity leave. bernie brings alot to the table to argue about.

he means well though

 

[Greoric]

This is why I dislike Liberals and Democrats. Unwilling to dig the dirt necessary to bring progress.

Progress is empowering a coercive monopoly?

 

[ehtheist]

While I'm a Bernie supporter for his voting record and being the virtual unicorn of an honest(ish) politician, I know it's going to hit me in the pocketbook. Frankly, the people who want the type of reforms Bernie offers without having to pay are nearing the worst side of the Left - entitled idealists who want change but essentially want someone else to pay and work for it, only offering a cheap vote themselves. I don't agree with everything Bernie does, and there are even some of his platforms that terrify me, but I know that my bank account is going to take a beating to get the good he offers. I cast my vote for him accepting ths.

 

[ehtheist]

Progress is empowering a coercive monopoly?

Damn, never thought of it that way. Maybe we should privatize the government and have different companies compete, free market style, for who governs us?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

While I'm a Bernie supporter for his voting record and being the virtual unicorn of an honest(ish) politician, I know it's going to hit me in the pocketbook. Frankly, the people who want the type of reforms Bernie offers without having to pay are nearing the worst side of the Left - entitled idealists who want change but essentially want someone else to pay and work for it, only offering a cheap vote themselves. I don't agree with everything Bernie does, and there are even some of his platforms that terrify me, but I know that my bank account is going to take a beating to get the good he offers. I cast my vote for him accepting ths.

I wish i could buy your a beer for that post.

Even though i would never want a Bernie headed executive.

 

[Greoric]

While I'm a Bernie supporter for his voting record and being the virtual unicorn of an honest(ish) politician, I know it's going to hit me in the pocketbook. Frankly, the people who want the type of reforms Bernie offers without having to pay are nearing the worst side of the Left - entitled idealists who want change but essentially want someone else to pay and work for it, only offering a cheap vote themselves. I don't agree with everything Bernie does, and there are even some of his platforms that terrify me, but I know that my bank account is going to take a beating to get the good he offers. I cast my vote for him accepting ths.

Yeah. I love the guy's honesty, and most of of his civil policies (minus firearms). I just can't get past his economics and proposed fiscal policies though.

 

[Greoric]

Damn, never thought of it that way. Maybe we should privatize the government and have different companies compete, free market style, for who governs us?

Or just self government. I like that option.

 

[milliniar]

doesn't the plan for healthcare itself save more for many by not having to pay the premiums?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Is the point of this thread that some supporters of every candidate are dumb?

If so I agree.

 

[Greoric]

doesn't the plan for healthcare itself save more for many by not having to pay the premiums?

That's often the argument. You'll read posters on here conflating a drop in price with an increase in efficiency. But that's not the case, and can't be via government. The drop in price would just be the result of an increase in rationing.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

doesn't the plan for healthcare itself save more for many by not having to pay the premiums?

Depends on the difference between the cost of their premiums vs how much tax they pay into UHC.

The article mentioning an increase of 5k per household making 50k, assuming that covers their share of "free healthcare" (doubt it would), I would say the majority will end up paying more.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That's often the argument. You'll read posters on here conflating a drop in price with an increase in efficiency. But that's not the case, and can't be via government. The drop in price would just be the result of an increase in rationing.

Just rationing huh? Nothing to do with ending the pay for service model, that produces some of the worst preventative care in the world?

 

[Greoric]

Just rationing huh? Nothing to do with ending the pay for service model, that produces some of the worst preventative care in the world?

However, disgustingly manipulated and contorted our HC system is now, the pay for service is precisely why its more efficient.

 

[bad seed]

Depends on the difference between the cost of their premiums vs how much tax they pay into HC.

The article mentioning an increase of 5k per household making 50k, assuming that covers their share of "free healthcare" (doubt it would), I would say the majority will end up paying more.

The real upside is the savings to small businesses that won't have to provide coverage to employees.

 

[VivaRevolution]

@ Greoric, you would be the best person to ask this to. How do you stop spiraling out of control HC costs, without creating centralized authority, AKA government monopoly in this case?

 

[VivaRevolution]

However, disgustingly manipulated and contorted our HC system is now, the pay for service is precisely why its more efficient.

It is why we have the best acute care in the world. IT is also the cause of the some of the worst preventative care in the world. Double edged sword there.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The real upside is the savings to small businesses that won't have to provide coverage to employees.

Except they have to pay higher taxes as well. Again, it will be a difference between the cost to insure vs the price of taxation.