International More European cultural enrichment, this time in Amsterdam

[Halge]

It's football hooligans hooliganing. It seems some of the Israeli hooligans got beaten up

I think the odds are pretty fair the actual hooligans are the only ones that didn't get beaten up that night.

 

[Osculater]

Top comment on this youtube video...

Can anyone confirm this? I can't be bothered to look.

Huge if true!

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

I asked here before why those people who attacked the Israeli's care more
about palestine than Ukraine.

I haven't heard the right answer yet.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- This depicable acts of violence sadly are common on soccer.

 

[Corona]

Lmao my mans RyGOAT got people max rustled itt early on in this thread.

 

[chardog]

then why was the guy in the one video screaming please I'm not even jewish ? He would only say that if he knew he was specifically being targeted because he is jewish. If this was retaliation for something a group of individuals started why are people who had nothing to do with it being attacked ?

he really didnt want his wallet stolen

 

[Halge]

Okay... so what you need to understand about hooliganism is it's about looking for a fight. You go to a big city and kick up a fuss because you're racists, you will likely find a fight.

None of it is good or right, but it's certainly not an isolated and unique occurrence, and it came on the back of Maccabi fans burning Palestinian flags, setting off fireworks while making anti-Arab chants, and generally being obnoxious trash.

They found what they wanted. A fight.

But oh no, this time they got their asses kicked AND they were Israeli. So? Who gives a fuck?

I find myself endlessly repeating myself, which seems to be the inevitable outcome of trying to reason with muslim apologists.

Maccabi fans went to a game in Amsterdam.
Some Maccabi fans may, possibly, have said something at some time. We don't know for sure if all the clips are from the same time and place, or taken out of context.
We don't know if they actually said what is alleged because the clips are not even reliably translated.
We don't know if they were provoked. So they chanted "Fuck Palestine"? Well maybe they were responding to someone chanting "Fuck Israel". Or responding to something worse.
We certainly don't know the extent, but all signs point to provokations from Maccabi fans being miniscule compared to provokations from arab locals. You people having to resort to referencing unrelated incidents from Greece and Spain is one such sign. And a tactic commonly employed when one side is completely in the wrong and must find ways to counterweight their transgressions.

Now, here's what the muslims did:

They organized lynch squads.
They went around the city attacking any israelis they could find. Not Maccabi fans - Israelis. Since they checked their passports.
The only Maccabi supporters they could get their hands on were realistically non-ultras. Since the violent supporters moved in groups and were flanked by police.
They forced their victims to proclaim support for Hamas. Which has nothing at all to do with soccer, or hooliganism. And certainly not self-defense.
This is all well-documented, verified by authorities, credible media et cetera. All of whom has a vested interest in downplaying the actions of muslims.

In other words: Your narrative does not hold water. No matter how many times you repeat it. Though I have no doubt you'll keep doing it since that's all you've got.

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

I asked here before why those people who attacked the Israeli's care more
about palestine than Ukraine.

I haven't heard the right answer yet.

I mean if Spartak Moscow were playing AJAX (who again have a massive Jewish following), we’re causing trouble in Amsterdam all day, attacked the local taxi drivers, sang about killing Ukrainian kids, then ruined the min silence for the dead in Valencia I have no doubt they’d get attacked too. In fact the AJAX ultras have fought Spartak Moscow and CSKA Moscow fans on numerous occasions

 

[Jon!]

They organized lynch squads.

Footage of these lynchings?

I haven't seen those, but that's way beyond anything I've heard or read about and would make me sick.

There is no room for extrajudicial killings along racial lines, or any other lines.

 

[Croo67]

Still not seeing any Ajax ultra group claiming responsibility for these attacks.

 

[Jon!]

It's pretty clear that some people absolutely have to subscribe to a pre-determined narrative of antisemitism where the Israeli provocation of racial tensions is minor, but the response is abhorrent.

Fuck off.

More interestingly than boring drivel along political lines is one of the videos where a lone Macabbi fan, who I feel very sorry for, was being harassed by people saying "spasiba".

Spasiba is not Arabic. It's Russian.

Anyway, one of the worst bits of hooliganism is the inevitability of innocent football fans getting caught up in nonsensical violence they aren't wanting to be part of.

The solution to this is for football clubs and nations to take responsibility, and prevent their own hooligans from travelling and sparking violence.

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

It's pretty clear that some people absolutely have to subscribe to a pre-determined narrative of antisemitism where the Israeli provocation of racial tensions is minor, but the response is abhorrent.

Fuck off.

More interestingly than boring drivel along political lines is one of the videos where a lone Macabbi fan, who I feel very sorry for, was being harassed by people saying "spasiba".

Spasiba is not Arabic. It's Russian.

Anyway, one of the worst bits of hooliganism is the inevitability of innocent football fans getting caught up in nonsensical violence they aren't wanting to be part of.

The solution to this is for football clubs and nations to take responsibility, and prevent their own hooligans from travelling and sparking violence.

I know there is a lot of trouble at the Hapoel/Maccabi games and Beitar Jerusalem are proud to be “the most racist fans in the world” but I’m unsure what, if anything, Israel do with regard to travel bans on fans. Really this in theory should see UEFA take action. Now forgetting what happened before and after the game and just look at what happened during. Celtic fans were banned from an away fixture for setting off flares. With that in mind what should their response be to fans setting of flares and chanting racist songs during a minuets silence?

 

[Halge]

attacked the local taxi drivers,

You mean these taxi drivers?

(translated from dutch)

The police are investigating to what extent taxi drivers were involved in the violence. “Blocking those cancer Jews' bus,” says someone in a Telegram group for taxi drivers with more than 3,700 members. “Hang Palestinian flags in the city,” says another. “They're going to come over like rats.”

'They said they were being harassed, especially by taxi drivers. They were shouted at in Arabic and shouted 'Free Palestine'. They were kicked, hit, chased, spat on, threatened. You name it. This all happened on the way from the Arena to the hotels.”

Hoe de oorlog in het Midden-Oosten Amsterdam in geweld onderdompelde

Er was veel politie op de been, donderdagnacht in de hoofdstad. Maar die kon niet verhinderen dat voetbalfans uit Israël op gewelddadige wijze werden belaagd. Wat ging er aan die uitbarsting vooraf? ‘De stad is vol hooligans, inclusief Israëlische soldaten’, klinkt het op sociale media. Een...

www.volkskrant.nl

Chances are the alleged attack on a taxi driver is a fabricated excuse. I'm going to go ahead and make the educated guess that most taxi drivers (legal and illegal) in Amsterdam are muslims.

 

[Jon!]

I know there is a lot of trouble at the Hapoel/Maccabi games and Beitar Jerusalem are proud to be “the most racist fans in the world” but I’m unsure what, if anything, Israel do with regard to travel bans on fans. Really this in theory should see UEFA take action. Now forgetting what happened before and after the game and just look at what happened during. Celtic fans were banned from an away fixture for setting off flares. With that in mind what should their response be to fans setting of flares and chanting racist songs during a minuets silence?

I'd guess Ajax will have to host a couple of European games behind closed doors?

Maccabi fans maybe not allowed to travel for a couple of games?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Bullshit from the media. I’m more up to date on hooligans then the actually scores these days and the Israelis had been causing trouble all day just like they did in Greece a few months back. They made monkey noises and lit flares during the min silence for the Valencia victims. A bunch of hooligans reaped what they had sowed all day and the media are reporting on it like Amsterdam is the Warsaw getto

Ajax have firms/ultras that are 100% Jewish FFS. Maccabi should be banned from European competition for their consistent hooliganism this year (and for not being a European club but that’s another story)

Fuck em

- I dont think anybody loves soccer so much as europeans. They literally kill themselves because of games!

 

[PhitePhan]

It's crazy how you frame the killing of innocents at a music festival as anything other than a terror attack. It's crazy how you think electing a terrorist group that's sole purpose is to eliminate Israel would be prosperous idea with no consequences. It's funny that you ignore the hostages that were taken and killed and raped, and some still being held. It's funny and pathetic you ignore the naked German woman paraded through the streets naked, dead and beaten while citizens look on and cheer and spit on the body. A group of people that cheer after 9/11 and chant death to America can go get fucked as far as I am concerned. They want the violence to stop, give up Hamas and negotiate. Until then, they get what they started.

Oh, 10/7 was certainly a terror attack… unfortunately it was carried out by the very terror group that Bibi wanted in power.

“Herp derp, why don’t those animal Arabs just give up their land and homes peacefully?!”

 

[Jon!]

- I dont think anybody loves soccer so much as europeans. They literally kill themselves because of games!

I remember Dean Saunders once recalling a time when he played for Galatasaray and a fan killed himself in the stadium.

Turkish fans have killed multiple opposition fans. Leeds United had two fans stabbed and killed before a game in Turkey, Red Star Belgrade also had a fan stabbed and killed.

Tottenham send fans warning ahead of Europa League clash

MATT BARLOW: Seven were killed and more than 20 injured in an armed attack on Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters near the capital Ankara on October 23.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Tottenham Hotspur are warning fans about travelling to Turkey after a recent terror attack in the capital, Ankara. Tottenham, notably, have a very strong Jewish fan base, also.

This is all just one country. These are wild times, if you're going, keep your head down, make sure you're as hard to identify as possible, and don't go around provoking racial tensions. But hey... it's your lives, guys, do what you're gonna do I guess.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

I know Netherlands well, it was the 2nd and 3rd gen North Africans.
The taxidrivers are also of that group and worked as spotters with Telegram.

 

[Croo67]

I know Netherlands well, it was the 2nd and 3rd gen North Africans.
The taxidrivers are also of that group and worked as spotters with Telegram.

No, no the experts on here are insisting it was the Ajax hooligans... you know the same ones who wave Israeli flags and proudly celebrate the club's Jewish heritage?

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

I'd guess Ajax will have to host a couple of European games behind closed doors?

Maccabi fans maybe not allowed to travel for a couple of games?

That would probably be considered a reasonable response

- I dont think anybody loves soccer so much as europeans. They literally kill themselves because of games!

I don’t know, central and South American fans are probably more extreme. Theres video doing rounds from last week in Brazil of a rival bus being attacked. It’s easy to find but not on YouTube due to the gore, it makes what happens most weeks in Europe look like a Dana white boxersise class.