MMA goats for each division

[omawho402]

From Islam up is accurate

 

[BullyKutta]

BJ Penn P4P GOAT

He probably would have been in the convoc had he not hit that 89 fight losing streak at the end of his career.

 

[Koala]

BJ Penn is 12-13-2 in the UFC

 

[loisestrad]

Less the PEDs and moreso the blatant cheating in each fight and a few gift decisions.

Lol, I'm not sure you're being objective here. The other fighters you listed as GOAT has like 30 actual losses combined, and you're downvoting Jones for "a few gift decisions". That's funny.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

BJ had some cool wins in weight classes above but he lost his first title fight at lightweight, had a draw in his next lightweight title fight, then won the belt and defended 3 times before losing to Frankie Edgar twice in a row.

Islam has more wins in a row at lightweight than BJ Penn's total wins at lightweight. Islam has more title defenses than BJ.

There's more of an argument for Khabib than BJ.

You mean when he lost to Jens Pulver by majority decision in his 4th fight, then murdered him in the rematch?

Penn literally beat everyone he fought at LW including the person you stated he drew against, and finished all of them until he fought Frankie Edgar, and people thought he beat Frankie Edgar the first time too.

Penn didn't decisively lose to a LW until 2010.

Many of Penn's best wins were not title defenses, so it's not relevant whether Islam has more defenses. Much of Penn's career took place when the UFC did not even have a formal LW divison.

Penn beat Uno, Pulver, Serra, and Gomi and none of them were title defenses. Islam did not fight many good guys in their primes before he won the belt. So citing their title defenses makes it look like Islam beat more credible opponents, when he really only beat like three great fighters of his time. (Volk, Dustin, Oliveira).



It's strange you're holding a majority decision loss against Pulver because it was arbitrarily for the title, but Islam getting knocked out by Adriano Martins is a negligible detail. It's much more impressive to barely lose to Jens Pulver then to get knocked out by Martins.

Jens Pulver was the only person who beat Penn until the end of his prime, and as I said before, he beat Pulver in the rematch decisively.



Most of Penn's losses came against people bigger than him at heavier weight classes. At LW he beat everyone until he was out of his prime, literally beat every single person he fought there.

 

[BFoe]

You know someone is either retarded or weren't around to witness TJ's prime when they try to discredit him

We likely never will or at least not for a while witness anything similar to the wizardry that TJ displayed during his peak, the way he set up his combos and chained punches, kicks, and takedowns was literal art

Any true fan of MMA who isn't a virtue signaling weirdo that thinks a fighters personality has anything to do with their fighting ability/legacy knows just how special TJ was

This is MMA in it's absolute most elite/peak form

He was great in his prime. But Cruz has more accomplishments, a stronger resume overall, plus beat TJ head to head, and at a time when Ctuz wasn’t even in peak form. I don’t really see any argument for TJ over Cruz for BW GOAT.

 

[gimmick122]

You mean when he lost to Jens Pulver by majority decision in his 4th fight, then murdered him in the rematch?

Penn literally beat everyone he fought at LW including the person you stated he drew against, and finished all of them until he fought Frankie Edgar, and people thought he beat Frankie Edgar the first time too.

Penn didn't decisively lose to a LW until 2010.

Many of Penn's best wins were not title defenses, so it's not relevant whether Islam has more defenses. Much of Penn's career took place when the UFC did not even have a formal LW divison.

Penn beat Uno, Pulver, Serra, and Gomi and none of them were title defenses. Islam did not fight many good guys in their primes before he won the belt. So citing their title defenses makes it look like Islam beat more credible opponents, when he really only beat like three great fighters of his time. (Volk, Dustin, Oliveira).



It's strange you're holding a majority decision loss against Pulver because it was arbitrarily for the title, but Islam getting knocked out by Adriano Martins is a negligible detail. It's much more impressive to barely lose to Jens Pulver then to get knocked out by Martins.

Jens Pulver was the only person who beat Penn until the end of his prime, and as I said before, he beat Pulver in the rematch decisively.



Most of Penn's losses came against people bigger than him at heavier weight classes. At LW he beat everyone until he was out of his prime, literally beat every single person he fought there.

The cope from BJ diehards reminds me of him getting that third shot to prove he could beat Frankie. Speaking of which, nobody is putting Frankie Edgar in the convo despite him being undersized, beating BJ twice in his prime (when he was a 32 year old champion) and having just one less title defense than BJ. The reason is because he doesn't have the overall accomplishments at LW.

Similarly, BJ is just objectively (total wins, title wins) not as accomplished at LW as Benson Henderson, Khabib, Islam, who all have more overall LW wins and the same (or more) title wins. This is also in an era with less LW competition and easily earned title shots.

 

[Chomsky Honk]

HW: Fedor
LHW: Jones (fraud GOAT), Wand/Shogun/Rampage/Chuck for real GOAT
MW: Silva
WW: GSP
LW: Depending on how I feel that day, Khabib, Islam, BJ, or Gomi
FW: Blue cage Aldo
BW: TJ (Cruz - the clean GOAT)
FlyW: MM

 

[KO Shotz]

125 - Mighty Mouse
135 - Cruz
145 - Aldo/Volk
155 - Arguable for BJ
170 - GSP
185 - Anderson
205 - Arguable for Jones
265 - Arguable for Fedor

BJ is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but with that being said it is fair to have Islam or Khabib over him in this conversation.

Aldo is forever the king of 145.

Cruz or Killashaw at 135. Suga was on his way but Merab derailed that hype train.

But I agree with the rest of the list.

 

[Skarsgard]

BJ is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but with that being said it is fair to have Islam or Khabib over him in this conversation.

Aldo is forever the king of 145.

Cruz or Killashaw at 135. Suga was on his way but Merab derailed that hype train.

But I agree with the rest of the list.

Yeah. Khabib is arguable for me. BJ just took risks that no one else did. Khabib didn't leave the UFC to track down the next best LW (Gomi) or take a random heavyweight fight (Machida). He didn't even try to test the waters at 170, much less finish one of the greatest WWs we've had or come to a close decision with an arguable overall GOAT.
Islam, although great, isn't there for me yet.

 

[Skarsgard]

Lol, I'm not sure you're being objective here. The other fighters you listed as GOAT has like 30 actual losses combined, and you're downvoting Jones for "a few gift decisions". That's funny.

They didn't have gift decisions during their reigns. The closest was an overblown decision for GSP over Hendricks, but that's a dead horse not worth beating.
I'm mostly downvoting Jones because of his in-cage antics. Instead of learning to jab, he just realized he can eyepoke everyone. He plays the game instead of getting better.

 

[loisestrad]

They didn't have gift decisions during their reigns.

Sure. They straight up lost.

 

[Skarsgard]

Sure. They straight up lost.

I guess that's the gift of fighting in the two weakest divisions. The lighter weight classes are notoriously unforgiving to aging fighters.

 

[KO Shotz]

Yeah. Khabib is arguable for me. BJ just took risks that no one else did. Khabib didn't leave the UFC to track down the next best LW (Gomi) or take a random heavyweight fight (Machida). He didn't even try to test the waters at 170, much less finish one of the greatest WWs we've had or come to a close decision with an arguable overall GOAT.
Islam, although great, isn't there for me yet.

I agree 100%. There can be arguments made for all 3 cases to be the GOAT of 155.

 

[Mind Mine]

Now lets do it without the PED users.

Why don’t you make a forum for strictly non PED user fans and get this shit off every forum on sherdog