MMA Decline or UFC Decline?

UFC is dying bro

But really its just that other orgs have become better. Jamal Hill and Jon Jones as HW champ is not good for the UFC. i can think of other top level fighters in other orgs that would most likely beat several UFC champs. UFC is getting a bit weak.
 
A lot of skilled fighters have gotten better at cutting weight. In the old days Perriera would have been a HW. There are not that many athletic true HWs that are not doing better paying sports.
 
Nah, in rampages era lhw werr way faster with better cardio

During Fedor and the subsequent Cain era hw had better cardio and were better grapplers

From Silva to Luke's era mw was more explosive with better grapplers

I think the cardio issues are more related to weight cutting being more extreme than it was back then.
 
Maturing is realizing Jeremy Horn was more complete fighter than Israel Adesanya and he fought in late 90s.

lmfaooooo being a grappling specialist with dog shit striking doesn’t make you more complete. Adesanya is just a striking specialist with counter grappling. Prime for prime, adesanya burns through horn easily. Even horn’s grappling was only good for its time. And this is coming from a big horn fan. He only looked good relative to his era.


I’d say maturing is being able to let go of the past.
 
LMFAO!

he definitely was a more complete fighter. Though I think Izzy KOs him. I think a better comparison is Bustamante who I think would beat most if not all of today's MW. The guy went toe to toe with Chuck and Rampage who hit hard as fuck and his overall grappling is better than anyone at MW right now

Today’s counter grappling vs his old school shit? He’d get rekt. And although he was a competent boxer, he’s not cracking the top 5. Not with his old school skill set. However, if he were in his prime today, I could see him being champ just because he’s a brilliant man. I could see him being like a Demian Maia with high level boxing. Damn, he would’ve been a beast in this modern era. But yeah, his skill set wasn’t gonna keep up with modern mma. Better strikers. Better wrestlers. Better counter grapplers. At least in the top 5. But I’ll walk it back a bit and say Busta was ahead of his time in terms of mma philosophy.
 
People are just way more well rounded today than in the past. In the past there were a bit more specialists instead of vanilla-well rounded fighters
 
Are we starting to see a Decline in MMA in general or is it just the UFC that is declining?

Specifically I'm referring to skill level.

With the exception of Jones LHW and HW had much more skilled guys years ago. MW is the same.

WW is still fairly stacked but I'd say it was even more stacked with skilled fighters before

LW and BW are probably the only divisions that have continued to get better.

FW is decent but it seems to be a 2 man show

I don’t see a decline. I see evolution.

who were these much more skilled LHW’s? Forrest griffin? Tito Ortiz? Chuck? Shad?

And besides the champs, HW’s always sucked outside of the top 5. Pride HW’s were juiced. This is on record, not libel. Without juicing, most of those guys would be LHW. And consider the fact that Randy owned Tim Sylvia and Brock owned Randy.

what is this magical old school superior skill level you speak of?

the one area where I do see a decline is in jiu jitsu/grappling. This is why guys like Khabib and Islam have been able to excel. Guys have fallen in love with the KO and neglected the nuances of grappling/submissions.


But the striking is, on average, better than ever. Better defensive wrestling. Better submission defense. It’s gonna be a while before we see more compete grapplers like Jones, Khabib, DC, Cain, GSP, etc because striking is the current trend.


So I’ll walk back my statement a bit and say yes/no.

Yes there is a decline, or stagnation, in the grappling aspect of modern mma…on average….but no, I don’t see an overall decline.

It’s just the current era’s evolution.

Remember, bjj dominated, then wrestlers, then strikers with grappling defense, then wrestlers who learned to strike, and now the average mma fighter wants to bang bro so the trend is that there are just more strikers who train counter grappling than there are great grapplers with good striking.


It’s really up to the grapplers to step their game up.
 
It just seems worse because everyone is getting better. Before the top 2-3 guys were miles above everyone else, now the top 10-15 are reasonably close in skill. Makes it looks like the sport is getting less skilled but the top 5-10 are just so close in skill it's hard to look insanely better than anyone at this level anymore.
 
Mike Brown would smoke Volkanovski, Travis Lutter destroys Robert Whittaker, & Urijah Faber dominates Max Holloway.

LOL
 
Promotion wise its at its absolute worst. That definitely needs to be rectified if they are too have any hope of keeping the fan base up to date. Even the LVRJ newspaper doesnt cover UC events anymore.
 
Man, I don’t think people actually remember the MMA they’re stuck on. PRIDE and the UFC had tiny rosters and the talent flowing in was substantially less.

They were more like clubs and easy to follow. It was super easy to have long term fanboy crushes on fighters because of it. Like PRIDE was mostly a 2 division org most of the time it existed and the rosters weren’t big at all.

It was just easy to know the names and follow. PRIDE and the UFC back the were way more casual friendly. Less fighters, less events and less talent coming in pushing talent out.

The skill and depth for the most part is much bigger across the board UFC and MMA today. For example the Japanese talent in RIZIN is far superior today to PRIDE Japanese fighters from back then and the names everyone remembers. I think it’s names and personalities having long term presence that’s different.

Realistically (roster and divisions) Bellator would seem massive compared to 2001-2005 PRIDE/UFC regardless of being able to easily name so many LHW’s and HW’s from that era.
 
MMA as a sport is fine

UFC an combat sports organisation is on the decline though
It's run like WWE rather than an actual legitimate sports company

If it ran on merit it would be much better and they would make more money

Still watch though regardless
 
God

We have some lulls in some divisions,but this wont be permanent,but of course its always the end of the world for these reactionary impatient noobs
 
MMA as a sport is fine

UFC an combat sports organisation is on the decline though
It's run like WWE rather than an actual legitimate sports company
That doesnt really have anything to do with what the TS is talking about though.

Is Bellator an actual legitimate sports company???
 
That doesnt really have anything to do with what the TS is talking about though.

Is Bellator an actual legitimate sports company???

The are run more legitimately like an actual sport han the UFC in terms of merit even though their budget is much smaller

OP is talking about if sport of MMA is on the decline which it isn't or if the UFC is on the decline which it is
 
The are run more legitimately like an actual sport han the UFC in terms of merit even though their budget is much smaller

OP is talking about if sport of MMA is on the decline which it isn't or if the UFC is on the decline which it is
He isnt talking about how the UFC is run,just the skill level of their champions/divisions

UFC isnt much different than other fight orgs. Let's not pretend that boxing,kickboxing and other MMA orgs dont do the same shit the UFC does.
 
The skill level has increased however we don’t always see the best fighters fight because it’s a popularity contest these days.
Seriously have a look at the skill level in Ufc 1 and come back to this thread.
 
Seriously have a look at the skill level in Ufc 1 and come back to this thread.
No fuckin shit,I dont think that anyone is saying it hasnt increased SINCE THEN. Fuckin 1993.
 
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