Missing 411

franklinstower said:
Consider that he has a missing 411 for people that disappear in the city too and that he claims meets the same criteria-- its not bigfoot if it happens in NYC.
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This is very true. Ignorant, Dunning-Kruger victims just love to raise their voice to shout down anything they don't like, regardless of how little information they're going on. It's gross.
 
eighterumg5 said:
so I should save my money then?
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I would still check into it with an open mind but realize that it may not all be on the up and up.

Check out post 31 too but realize that the debunker also gets his facts messed up too. He claims that Paulides believes its bigfoot and this is certainly not the case.
 
Phr3121 said:
David Paulides books:
. Hoopa Project: Bigfoot Encounters (2008)
. Tribal Bigfoot (2009)
You can't make this shit up...
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So which is it? Is Bigfoot or is it aliens? Or are all those people really just still alive and it's all made up? Maybe it's all about aliens and Bigfeet disguised as people who went missing on purpose to conceal their identify? I mean... you watched a documentary and went to Wikipedia, so surely you got this shit solved.
 
Hans Gercmiov said:
So which is it? Is Bigfoot or is it aliens? Or are all those people really just still alive and it's all made up? I mean... you watched a documentary and went to Wikipedia, so surely you got this shit solved.
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You are missing the point mate. The key word here is 'credibility'. The man wrote two books about 'Bigfoot' and than goes on to write 8 books about missing people. Like the quote stated:

"Paulides attributes mysterious, unspecified causes to these disappearances, while data analysis suggests that these disappearances are not statistically mysterious or unexpected."​


"Kyle Polich, a data scientist, documented his analysis of Paulides' claims in the article 'Missing411' and presented his analysis to a SkeptiCamp held in 2017 by the Monterey County Skeptics. He concluded that the allegedly unusual disappearances represent nothing unusual at all, and are instead best explained by non-mysterious causes such as falling or sudden health crises leading to a lone person becoming immobilized off-trail, drowning, bear (or other animal) attack, environmental exposure, or even deliberate disappearance. After analyzing the missing person data, Polich concluded that these cases are not 'outside the frequency that one would expect, or that there is anything unexplainable that I was able to identify."

I really don't care what you believe. You obviously enjoy this topic and dedicated many hours to it. Your mind won't be changed by an alternate point of view. Same issue I have when discussing the existence (or non-existence) of God with other members.​
 
Hans Gercmiov said:
See, i dont really care what the author does or doesn't think. I don't have a theory, I just think it's alarming how many people end up missing or dead. That's real life shit.

And then you got people like dude up there talking about all these dead people are "fiction?" And just starts talking out of his ass about Bigfoot and UFOs? Lol I just ignore listed the dude. I don't want to read anyone that dense's posts about anything.
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Oh no I agree. If nothing else it’s made me aware of how many people just disappear or die due to some kind of exposure. I had absolutely no idea.
 
I just saw the Cullen Finnerty and Henry McCabe stories. Wow. Talk about hyper bizarre. When you start digging past the few facts that MSM threw out, you see just how weird these are. The McCabe final voice message is truly one of the most terrifying things that I've ever heard, sounds like he is being attacked by the Predator from the movie.




It always amuses me when people get in to 411 and Dunning Krueger goes wild and they will say something like: "I got it all figured out! It is cartels that are kidnapping people and using stealth helicopters". <Lmaoo> There are so many cases in here that just lack any explanation, like footprints in fresh snow just vanishing in thin air, or people being in groups and then turning around a second later and a person is completely gone with no noise or sign of struggle, or much like the Finnerty case in how he was confused out of now where, said two big beings were stalking him, then his cell phone pings miles apart and just minutes apart in the middle of the woods, then he turns up days later with his clothes on backwards and in a place where the search and rescue crew searched many times previously.
 
franklinstower said:
its not Bigfoot if it happens in NYC.
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In fairness. you have to set the criteria for what Bigfoot is exactly. There are those that say it is an ape or relic hominid, and then there is the Les Stroud/B.A.A.S.S. take, and that it is an inter dimensional creature with the ability to cloak, mindspeak, turn into orbs and time travel. The second option sounds absolutely crazy, but when you start looking at the years of reports, from the Stand Gordon catalog developed with the Pennsylvania State police, to the United States 22 million dollar funded study at Skin Walker Ranch, the second hypothesis is much more supported by data. And like with many of the 411 cases where people's foot prints will just vanish in to thin air, the only other place stuff like this is observed is with the Bigfoot phenomenon orb the going ons at Skin Walker Ranch type phenomena.

These two cases, I believe, are the strongest for something like "Bigfoot" being involved atleast in part of the cases.



 
RoJo303 said:
In fairness. you have to set the criteria for what Bigfoot is exactly. There are those that say it is an ape or relic hominid, and then there is the Les Stroud/B.A.A.S.S. take, and that it is an inter dimensional creature with the ability to cloak, mindspeak, turn into orbs and time travel. The second option sounds absolutely crazy, but when you start looking at the years of reports, from the Stand Gordon catalog developed with the Pennsylvania State police, to the United States 22 million dollar funded study at Skin Walker Ranch, the second hypothesis is much more supported by data. And like with many of the 411 cases where people's foot prints will just vanish in to thin air, the only other place stuff like this is observed is with the Bigfoot phenomenon orb the going ons at Skin Walker Ranch type phenomena.

These two cases, I believe, are the strongest for something like "Bigfoot" being involved atleast in part of the cases.



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Good god I was nervous to watch those videos.

I’m glad those kids are okay, and yeah, holy fuck imo that’s some of the best evidence for a Sasquatch like creature to exist.

If they were actually bears, why the fuck didn’t anyone else see a bear? Only a bear-like creature? Any adult can ID a fucking bear.
 
Phr3121 said:
You are missing the point mate. The key word here is 'credibility'. The man wrote two books about 'Bigfoot' and than goes on to write 8 books about missing people. Like the quote stated:

"Paulides attributes mysterious, unspecified causes to these disappearances, while data analysis suggests that these disappearances are not statistically mysterious or unexpected."​

"Kyle Polich, a data scientist, documented his analysis of Paulides' claims in the article 'Missing411' and presented his analysis to a SkeptiCamp held in 2017 by the Monterey County Skeptics. He concluded that the allegedly unusual disappearances represent nothing unusual at all, and are instead best explained by non-mysterious causes such as falling or sudden health crises leading to a lone person becoming immobilized off-trail, drowning, bear (or other animal) attack, environmental exposure, or even deliberate disappearance. After analyzing the missing person data, Polich concluded that these cases are not 'outside the frequency that one would expect, or that there is anything unexplainable that I was able to identify."

I really don't care what you believe. You obviously enjoy this topic and dedicated many hours to it. Your mind won't be changed by an alternate point of view. Same issue I have when discussing the existence (or non-existence) of God with other members.​
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i cant agree with the bullshit above on data analysis explaining all of these disappearances BUT i do have some serous questions about the validity of paulides criteria he uses to classify all of these disappearances in a specific class. ive never heard a straight answer from anyone that made sense.
 
Hans Gercmiov said:
So which is it? Is Bigfoot or is it aliens? Or are all those people really just still alive and it's all made up? Maybe it's all about aliens and Bigfeet disguised as people who went missing on purpose to conceal their identify? I mean... you watched a documentary and went to Wikipedia, so surely you got this shit solved.
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like.
 
I used to listen to Paulides podcast years ago but stopped when his son died - the guy was clearly struggling badly and it was hard to listen to him at times.
 
eighterumg5 said:
Why are these books so expensive? Like crazy expensive for a book. Anybody know where to get one cheaper? I really wanna read some of them but can't justify paying that much for a single book.
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how much is it? Yesterday I went to a bookstore and saw new bios on Elvis, Bruce Lee one was 25 bucks, which is cool, the other was 38. I generally wait until i see them second hand. Particularly since I know there's a good chance I might never get around to reading it in the first place. Case in point, I have a great Chuck Berry bio, I forget how much it was, but at least 30, i got it used for about 12 not long after. Same for Lisa Marie Presley's book.

I'd imagine the author had some say in how much the book would sell for. My old mentor put out a book about a 15 years ago on his friend, Bruce Lee, it was going for over 50 bucks. Just greed, and I knew them well enough to know, they actually sold one of the iconic black/yellow track suits for 10 g's not long after that to some auction house who sold it for 100,000, greedy but dumb, part of what ruined our friendship.
 
The_Renaissance said:
I used to listen to Paulides podcast years ago but stopped when his son died - the guy was clearly struggling badly and it was hard to listen to him at times.
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how'd his son die, that family shit can break a man. I've been through it and going through it now and it's hell. We have to keep living though.
 
The_Renaissance said:
I used to listen to Paulides podcast years ago but stopped when his son died - the guy was clearly struggling badly and it was hard to listen to him at times.
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His signal:noise ratio is pretty low. He spends a lot of time discussing things irrelevant to the disappearances. Mental health, how to bring up children and teenagers, reminiscing about earlier times in his life, his son, his dog etc. etc. He used to do reaction to news videos but I think he stopped. They aren't on the 411 channel anyway.
 
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mozfonky said:
how much is it? Yesterday I went to a bookstore and saw new bios on Elvis, Bruce Lee one was 25 bucks, which is cool, the other was 38. I generally wait until i see them second hand. Particularly since I know there's a good chance I might never get around to reading it in the first place. Case in point, I have a great Chuck Berry bio, I forget how much it was, but at least 30, i got it used for about 12 not long after. Same for Lisa Marie Presley's book.

I'd imagine the author had some say in how much the book would sell for. My old mentor put out a book about a 15 years ago on his friend, Bruce Lee, it was going for over 50 bucks. Just greed, and I knew them well enough to know, they actually sold one of the iconic black/yellow track suits for 10 g's not long after that to some auction house who sold it for 100,000, greedy but dumb, part of what ruined our friendship.
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Blast from the past!
I wanna say they were like 50 bucks 6 years ago when I wrote this lol
 
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