Crime Milwaukee Riot Thread

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

None of that supports your point - especially when he goes on to say he supports the net and has welfare programs in his policy from the start.

He said communities are responsible to help, and have a long history of doing so; not the government -- but does not ANYWHERE say stop programs.

AND that quote was from 2016...so did he flop back? Because his quotes specifically saying the he supported keeping programs for those who need it are from 2015....so what is it, Kong?

keep trying though, this is getting comical.

Of course it supports my point. He also changes his stance many times.

One day he speaks as if he's against any government assistance then he says we need to keep the safety net.

Then he says things like this

Before long, people generally depend on government for everything from health care and education, to a comfortable retirement, instead of looking to government for the basic protection of life and property, as well as providing public roads and public safety.

Carson himself went to government funded schools. Lol.

He's talking negatively about something he benefited from.

Yes he flip flopped all over the place. I just posted another example.

 

[Hans Gruber]

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[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

None of that supports your point - especially when he goes on to say he supports the net and has welfare programs in his policy from the start.

He said communities are responsible to help, and have a long history of doing so; not the government -- but does not ANYWHERE say stop programs.

AND that quote was from 2016...so did he flop back? Because his quotes specifically saying the he supported keeping programs for those who need it are from 2015....so what is it, Kong?

this is what you said:





keep trying though, this is getting comical.

Look at the fucking link idiot

It clearly says in 2012 he doesn't like the idea of government funded education.

Than later on in his book still from 2012, he goes on to state how government should allocate resources towards education to really help these people.

He completely contradicts himself.


It's right Fn there in black and white for anyone to read.


Are you daft right now.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I don't change what I'm said about Carson at all.


he openly discredited welfare of any kind. He changed his statements later on like he did with other things.

Now you are are just willfully obtuse and stubborn to sink with your ship

post the whole quote

Government entitlements compete with private-sector charity

"It is very difficult to travel to any community in our nation and not find charitable organizations specifically created to aid the indigent citizens of that community.

"Our government used to fully understand the role of private-sector charitable organizations in ameliorating the plight of the poor. This is why the government offered tax deductions and exemptions for churches and other charitable organizations. Today the government actually competes with many of these private-sector charities while still offering them tax deductions. How does this wasteful duplication benefit government or us, its citizens? Certainly by creating huge government entitlement programs, the size and power of the government increases dramatically. Before long, people generally depend on government for everything from health care and education, to a comfortable retirement, instead of looking to government for the basic protection of life and property, as well as providing public roads and public safety."



He is saying people become dependent on the government for everything and that it gets away for original intent; that people have to come to expect the government to take care of everything for them

also, this is from the same source:

"If we really want to eradicate poverty, we should allocate significant resources and personnel toward providing education and opportunity for the poor. And if we are to provide assistance to our able-bodied citizens, it should be attached to a requirement for work or acquisition of education and/or skills.

If they have to work anyway, many people will put real effort into finding the kind of job they want as opposed to collecting unemployment benefits and being assigned to work they consider undesirable. Some conservatives would say that we should leave such people on their own to sink or swim because we cannot afford to keep supporting them, while some liberals would say that these people already have enough problems and that it would be unfair to require anything of them. I reject both"

no contradiction -- one berates how we have become so dependent on the system and the other states a specific responsibilities.

NOW PLEASE state where he says that welfare should be ended completely --

just one link, with one line that says he does not support any welfare or public subsidies of any kind.

just do it.

Show of hands - anyone actually believing what kong is trying to pedal right now?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You are missing the point entirely again. If you hit rock bottom, you'll find a way to pick yourself back up. If you are being held slightly above rock bottom, you'll never hit it and likely not pick yourself up.

I could set this up as a formal argument to show that it follows logical consistency if you'd like.

Like I said the difference between you and I is I don't want working people to hit rock bottom.


I like millions of other people also have the mentality. Seems like I was raised with empathy and don't need to see a hard working family hit rock bottom.

We are fundamentally different people.

 

[superpunch]

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[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Now you are are just willfully obtuse and stubborn to sink with your ship

post the whole quote

Government entitlements compete with private-sector charity

"It is very difficult to travel to any community in our nation and not find charitable organizations specifically created to aid the indigent citizens of that community.

"Our government used to fully understand the role of private-sector charitable organizations in ameliorating the plight of the poor. This is why the government offered tax deductions and exemptions for churches and other charitable organizations. Today the government actually competes with many of these private-sector charities while still offering them tax deductions. How does this wasteful duplication benefit government or us, its citizens? Certainly by creating huge government entitlement programs, the size and power of the government increases dramatically. Before long, people generally depend on government for everything from health care and education, to a comfortable retirement, instead of looking to government for the basic protection of life and property, as well as providing public roads and public safety."



He is saying people become dependent on the government for everything and that it gets away for original intent; that people have to come to expect the government to take care of everything for them

NOW PLEASE state where he says that welfare should be ended completely --

just one link, with one line that says he does not support any welfare or public subsidies of any kind.

just do it.

Show of hands - anyone actually believing what kong is trying to pedal right now?

He specifically said EDUCATION. He used that exact word. Don't tell me what "he was trying to say" lol.

He himself doesn't like the idea of funded education. Then contradicts himself later on In The same book and says government should fund education.



You are 100% wrong here.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

He specifically said EDUCATION. He used that exact word. Don't tell me what "he was trying to say" lol.

He himself doesn't like the idea of funded education. Then contradicts himself later on In The same book and says government should fund education.



You are 100% wrong here.

There is not a single a person who will agree with you on this.

He specifically is referring to dependency in that quote -- how when a government grows too large we become dependent on them for everything --including education and what they teach.

he obviously supports funded education -- he does not support state control over every aspect of public education.

same source:

"If we really want to eradicate poverty, we should allocate significant resources and personnel toward providing education and opportunity for the poor. And if we are to provide assistance to our able-bodied citizens, it should be attached to a requirement for work or acquisition of education and/or skills."


not a single person will agree with your interpretation.


Now for the 5th time - show us where he flipped on support welfare.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

There is not a single a person who will agree with you on this.

He specifically is referring to dependency in that quote -- how when a government grows too large we become dependent on them for everything --including education and what they teach.

he obviously supports funded education -- he does not support state control over every aspect of public education.

same source:

"If we really want to eradicate poverty, we should allocate significant resources and personnel toward providing education and opportunity for the poor. And if we are to provide assistance to our able-bodied citizens, it should be attached to a requirement for work or acquisition of education and/or skills."


not a single person will agree with your interpretation.


Now for the 5th time - show us where he flipped on support welfare.

You are 100% wrong.


he completely comtradicts himself here and it's plain as day.

He talks about not liking bloated government programs and then uses EDUCATION as an example. He used that under the banner of dependency.



Then goes on to say he wants the government to offer education. Which is dependency.



That's a contradiction unless you're a moron.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

You are 100% wrong.


he completely comtradicts himself here and it's plain as day.

He talks about not liking bloated government programs and then uses EDUCATION as an example. He used that under the banner of dependency.



Then goes on to say he wants the government to offer education. Which is dependency.



That's a contradiction unless you're a moron.

Fine, for those without contextual abilities - he used education in state dependency and then said he supports funding it in the same book. I guess if you're really force yourself to be dim and not read the context you would see contradiction .

But before you move goal posts further.

This all started when you said he flipped on welfare

now for the 6th time: show us where.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Fine, for those without contextual abilities - he used education in state dependency and then said he supports funding it in the same book. I guess if you're really force yourself to be dim and not read the context you would see contradiction .

But before you move goal posts further.

This all started when you said he flipped on welfare

now for the 6th time: show us where.

Lol contextual abilities.

You are fucking wrong buddy. Plain and simple, I'm going by what Ben said, he happened to use EDUCATION when talking about people who rely on the government for far to many things. Dependency. He was using the word not painted in a positive light but a negative. Or am i still missing it. Lol. No I am not.

Lol he legit said that.



Then contradicts himself saying gov should provide education. Dependency.


its legit right there. Sorry brah

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Lol contextual abilities.

You are fucking wrong buddy. Plain and simple, I'm going by what Ben said, he happened to use EDUCATION when talking about people who rely on the government for far to many things. Dependency. He was using the word not painted in a positive light but a negative. Or am i still missing it. Lol. No I am not.

Lol he legit said that.



Then contradicts himself saying gov should provide education. Dependency.


its legit right there. Sorry brah

yes contextual abilities -- but to pacify you and move on to the original claim -- i will say, kind of, sort of could interpret that he contradicted himself that one time - i dont agree with it, but i will just placate it so you move on to your original claim.

going back to original claim on welfare: for the 7th time -- show us where he said he wanted to get rid of all welfare then flipped.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

yes contextual abilities -- but to pacify you and move on to the original claim -- i will say, kind of, sort of could interpret that he contradicted himself that one time - i dont agree with it, but i will just placate it so you move on to your original claim.

going back to original claim on welfare: for the 7th time -- show us where he said he wanted to get rid of all welfare then flipped.

Thanks I knew I was correct all along.

Why, because it's written in black and white for anyone to read. Lol.

I can also use that example of him flipping on welfare. By paiting gov funded education in a negative light, even going so far as contextually using the word EDUCSTION, labeling it as a "dependenc." mind you those are same dependencies Carson despises and doesn't want the poor to become "dependent" on.



Then later on in the same book he advised the gov allocating more money towards bettering people through EDUCATION. Mind you, run by the same government he originally condemned for making people dependent.




Lol. You have to be kidding right judo.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Thanks I knew I was correct all along.

Why, because it's written in black and white for anyone to read. Lol.

I can also use that example of him flipping on welfare. By paiting gov funded education in a negative light, even going so far as contextually using the word EDUCSTION, labeling it as a "dependenc." mind you those are same dependencies Carson despises and doesn't want the poor to become "dependent" on.



Then later on in the same book he advised the gov allocating more money towards bettering people through EDUCATION. Mind you, run by the same government he originally condemned for making people dependent.




Lol. You have to be kidding right judo.

sure, if you ignore the part of the books where he advocates less state control of education and promotes homeschooling, charter and private -- then the context of how you read it would be right to you.

BUT

for the 8th time: show us where he opposed all welfare and flipped. education isnt welfare.

just post an article or link showing us where you got your claim from

heres your quote again:

I don't change what I'm said about Carson at all.


he openly discredited welfare of any kind. He changed his statements later on like he did with other things.

 

[Brodels]

I thought this thread was about the Milwaukee riots.

 

[superpunch]

I thought this thread was about the Milwaukee riots.

No one gives a shit about Milwuakee. I didn't even know it was in my own country. I thought it was in Canada. (serious)

 

[lfd0311]

Sorry. What do you want me to respond to? You taking the cops version of all those cases as gospel?

Golly, how did I know that would be your response? The "Cop's version" was to throw some of those cops in jail, or was that irrelevant too? Michael Brown's own doctor said the "hands up dont shoot" narrative was false. He said that he had gun powder residue on his hands from attempting to take the gun and the pistol being discharged at close range inside the car. There are also videos of more than one of the incidents you mentioned I'l take those "versions" any day because they're the truth.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

That's gonna be tough to do if you live in a city. Lol Also tough to do when you already work a 40 hour work week, have a home, a kid, or are disabled or old.. Oh yeah children also. They'll be sure to grab their mops or a lawn mower.

I can tell you haven't thought this through at all.

It's tough, but easily accomplished if someone is determined.

You listed nothing but pathetic excuses as to why not work.

At age 17 I had my first son as a junior in high school, I started a fence installation business while attending high school and working part-time. While in college I worked 30 hours a week, installed fence, and raised my son. At 26 I bought my first house and was expecting my second son.

Wasn't granted financial aid, wasn't given a dime in my fucking life.

Yes, I have a god-damned mountain of student loan debt and a mortgage. Yes, I have over-extended myself.

I have kids, a house, work 40 hours a week in the tech industry, install fence on the side...

What I didn't and don't have are a mile long list of excuses as to why I couldn't work.

 

[Gervinho]

there are plenty of democrats that don't support obama and hilary because of this race stuff.

Are there plenty of known democrats who speaks in trumps convention and openly support him and say he is what this country needs?

 

[dontsnitch]

so should everyone who is working full time jobs turn down their food stamps because they still csnt make ends meet?

I'm not even sure what you're getting at here.

Huh? Why on earth would you think I'm suggesting people turn down food stamps?

One day he speaks as if he's against any government assistance then he says we need to keep the safety net.

You likely don't understand this because you also don't understand why he wants to reform welfare. I bet you think he's just mean, or worse, a conservative. It's one of the many reasons you shouldn't call people Uncle Toms.