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[Lord of Lies]

When they were beating people? Yeah, they should have been met with whatever force was necessary to stop them. There were protesters and then there was a violent group that were attacking people and destroying property.

It's not justice in America unless people throwing smoke bombs get a truncheon to the head.

Just admit it... If the police had shot and killed a few of these protesters you would feel it was a reasonable use of force and that the kids had it coming. We're all friends here. Let it out. It's OK, bro.

 

[Cold Front]

Source the worst injury suffered by a bystander as a direct result of a violent protester at the Berkeley campus.

Who cares? Assault is assault.

And to show how dumb you are, how are the police supposed to know in real time the difference between some guy who is just punched in the nose and some guy who gets his skull fractured?

 

[ultramanhyata]

Or perhaps crowd control/partition at a level where the planned event could take place. Does this require murder? If you say so.

Would you be calling for arrest and conviction of a law enforcement officer had one of the violent Berkeley protesters been shot and killed?

Or, instead, be saying something like, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes..."

 

[AviatorShades]

There is a similar atmosphere in every California college town.

There are the actual students -- most of whom are there rolling their eyes at the constant bombardment of PC pseudoscience knowing it's just a way for the school to avoid lawsuits.

A handful of slower students (usually overweight chicks who are just thrilled and overwhelmed to be part of anything for the first time in their lives... Sorry if that's offensive but it's very accurate) do fall for it and become radicalized.

Then there are the local non-student population consisting of:

-Local aging hippies, "antifa" punk rockers and homeless people who never attended university and possess a very unrealistic view of it. Believe that whatever takes place in that mystical fortress determines world policy and that the feeble professors are all highly influential geopolitical figures.

-Neighboring community college students. This is a notorious situation at UC Santa Barbara where probably 99% of the degenerate liberal party school reputation comes from the neighboring CC while UCSB students are buried in busy-work.

-For the larger campuses, bussed in organized/paid provocateurs

The university faculty themselves are usually just timid pushovers who struggled their whole life (or are still struggling) for a full time position which means their primary skill is pandering to the children and networking with other faculty. Once they land a contract they bury their head under the sand and basically live like retired folk.

 

[Cold Front]

Would you be calling for arrest and conviction of a law enforcement officer had one of the violent Berkeley protesters been shot and killed?

Why would you call for the arrest and conviction of someone when you don't even know if he committed a crime?

Law enforcement officers have the right to use deadly force in appropriate circumstances. So until you know what those circumstances were, you can't assume they broke the law.

 

[n...not crazy]

Would you be calling for arrest and conviction of a law enforcement officer had one of the violent Berkeley protesters been shot and killed?

Or, instead, be saying something like, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes..."

Depends on the specifics of the situation. Everyone has responsibilities and lines they should not cross.

If one of the guys who bashed ladies on the head with a stick and maced them in the face got shot at that moment, it just might be justified. If a guy holding a sign and screaming fuck you got shot, it would not be justified. Shit's complicated. That's why we have juries, evidence, lawyers, and judges.

 

[Toastytoy]

Your claim is that the school is being complicit here, but if they are complicit why are there repercussions when these protests turn violent?

Of course they are, if Berkely treated this 20% as harshly as the campus "rape crisis" speaking events wouldnt still be getting canceled due to protests.

 

[Rational Poster]

Of course they are, if Berkely treated this 20% as harshly as the campus "rape crisis" speaking events wouldnt still be getting canceled due to protests.

Source?

Seems like you're just making shit up now because your last source negated your argument.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Who cares?

That sums it up...

Any reason is a good reason to see a protesting lefty getting a beat down. With bonus points for lethal force.

So returning to the theme of my original post - since you took such offense over the insinuation...

Do you consider it an outrage that none of the NG troops responsible for the shooting deaths of four and the injury of nine during the Kent State protests were ever tried or convicted of any crime?

 

[Deleted member 196663]

They have no problem denouncing their perceived hate speech/racism/sexism on their microphones. Will they speak out against the group that is hurting their image at the next rally? Doubt it.

Double standard argument = failure.

You didn't see the sea of unmasked protesters marching with ANTIFA down the streets, being led with "BECOME UNGOVERNABLE", and "THIS IS WAR" banners? They weren't all ANTIFA.

Did you have a video you forgot to add?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Depends on the specifics of the situation. Everyone has responsibilities and lines they should not cross.

If one of the guys who bashed ladies on the head with a stick and maced them in the face got shot at that moment, it just might be justified. If a guy holding a sign and screaming fuck you got shot, it would not be justified. Shit's complicated. That's why we have juries, evidence, lawyers, and judges.

But how do juries, evidence, lawyers and judges help you after you've been shot and killed.

 

[Toastytoy]

Source?

Seems like you're just making shit up now because your last source negated your argument.

Source that speaking events are still being shut down? Or that the school is doing nothing and therefore complicit?

 

[Cold Front]

That sums it up...

Any reason is a good reason to see a protesting lefty getting a beat down. With bonus points for lethal force.

I didn't mention lethal force. You must made an idiotic inference.

Assault is assault. When someone is being assaulted, the police should not look the other way just because the victim might be okay. But such is the idiotic world that you would have the rest of us live in, where police don't try to stop crime from happening

Try to be smarter. And if that's too hard for you, try to have fewer opinions.

 

[n...not crazy]

But how do juries, evidence, lawyers and judges help you after you've been shot and killed.

The guy asked what I would think if a certain event happened. Past tense hypothetical.

As to your question, well I guess you can't really help a dead guy.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

The guy asked what I would think if a certain event happened. Past tense hypothetical.

As to your question, well I guess you can't really help a dead guy.

The point he was making is that to many people wanna use violence to stomp out a protestors rights real quick.

That doesn't even include the violent ones, they just don't want people using their freedom in such a way

 

[Rational Poster]

Source that speaking events are still being shut down? Or that the school is doing nothing and therefore complicit?

If people are getting punished how are they complicit?

 

[Toastytoy]

If people are getting punished how are they complicit?

Im not sure that you are an american, so there might be a disconnect here. The majority of colleges over here have a student code of conduct, so if you get arrested for somthing they can also throw you out of school or otherwise disciplin you. For exampe if you get arrested for selling drugs out of your dorm, or date raping a sorority girl, you still get kicked out even though you get arrested. If they wanted to stop this violent protesting behaving, they could add it to the student code of conduct and it would at least show that they care about freedom of speech. Which we americans take very seriosly.

 

[Cold Front]

Do you consider it an outrage that none of the NG troops responsible for the shooting deaths of four and the injury of nine during the Kent State protests were ever tried or convicted of any crime?

No. I don't know enough about it to feel one way or the other.

And given the level of ignorance you've shown here, I'm highly skeptical you have enough knowledge of the event to have an informed opinion.

 

[S Class]

Smh

 

[PainIsLIfe]

How is UC Berkeley responsible for the actions of private citizens that aren't students?

It's the responsibility for the local government and law enforcement to maintain stability, not the school.

They have their own police force; complete with a bomb squad, K-9 unit, and swat.

http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/

http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/our-divisions/operations-division/patrol/negotiation-and-entry-team-net

http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/node/570

http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/node/574