Media Mike Tyson talks about what it means to be a BMF

[Question]

True BMFs don't quit or tap out ... they fight to finish or be finished.

Right now, they should just hand the title over to Jones.

Gaethje and Poirier will be entertaining, but each has quit and/or tapped in the past.
Both yielded/quit to Charles Oliveira and Khabib.
Charles Oliveira quick to Khabib's protégé.

Either Khabib nor Jon has ever lost, ever quit, ever tapped.
They both are always coming forward, and are always the stronger fighter in the end.

In the UFC, no one else can really make that statement.

I mean I don't think tapping is necessarily a bad thing, especially if a fighter is in a situation with no way out or is beaten to a point where they have almost no way of winning along with career altering damage.
Like If an RNC is completely locked then there's not much a fighter can do about it and there's no way out then tapping is understandable there(examples: Dustin's fights against Khabib and Oli).
Some of the best fighters of all time have been tapped out in fights so IMO there's no shame in that. They'll get to live to fight another day.

For the BMF title, fuck that shit.
I know the UFC has been always looked as a bit gimmicky at times, but with all the shit they've been pulling throughout this year they've really regressed the sport in some ways. That title never made sense and bringing back as vacant is hilarious considering the last guy who "had" it was in a different division and lost every single fight after getting that strap.
Yet somehow it's now vacant while there's a guy named Leon Edwards who is the lineal BMF champion.

Poirier/Gaethje 2 honestly didn't need that attached to it since that fight sold itself, however what's done is done now.
I'm at least glad it's they're getting a pay bump from this apparently so that's one good thing coming out of it.

 

[Boomb]

Search 80's Tyson training, fights, and interviews to understand the BMF.
No one EVER had his combination of animosity, ferocious fight IQ and physical ability.

True. He really was something else.

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

Yet somehow he missed out on Cain, JDS, Brock, Carwin, Reem, Werdum, Arlovski, Hunt, Francis, or Stipe.

He was fighting all the best fighters at LHW

DC, Shogun, Machida, Rampage, Vitor Belfort, Gus etc

 

[Fergelmince]

Jones was totally afraid of Chael Sonnen. Afraid of a possible manslaughter charge!

 

[Cazador Diurno]

Silly ass lame goofy belt for kids haha

 

[icerealm]

khabib probably, never used steroids (very important factor tell the actual potential of the person and mind)
dominate opponent until they mentally give up after the 1st round (look at barboza, dustin)
take hard shots and continue pressing the opponent
has time to think of which submission to use against gathje because he didnt want to break his arm
tell all his opponent of his game plan and none could stop it
had spinal surgery and acl surgery and still came back to wrestle
never used any shit tricks inside the ring, no eye pokes (google jones), or groin shots, just raw domination
talking to his opponent while smashing them
his controversy fight, charging forward 90% of the time against roided up tibau who probably weigh 20 lbs more than him, (his mindset man)
hes my BMF

the only point that could be said is, he should be a walking middleweight and thus should probably cut to fight in welterweight
but he cut to lightweight and could be said as a "weight bully"

 

[MaulingMyClown]

Search 80's Tyson training, fights, and interviews to understand the BMF.
No one EVER had his combination of animosity, ferocious fight IQ and physical ability.

If this fight doesn't end in a KO no one should get that stoopid belt

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I mean I don't think tapping is necessarily a bad thing, especially if a fighter is in a situation with no way out or is beaten to a point where they have almost no way of winning along with career altering damage.
Like If an RNC is completely locked then there's not much a fighter can do about it and there's no way out then tapping is understandable there(examples: Dustin's fights against Khabib and Oli).
Some of the best fighters of all time have been tapped out in fights so IMO there's no shame in that. They'll get to live to fight another day.

Disagree. You never know until you know.

99% of fighters would've quit to the mounted choke Brian Ortega had locked on Volkanovski, but Alex struggled and was prepared to do or die. He did, and escaped.
Michael Bisping didn't tap to GSP, he struggled until he was finished.
On the same card that Conor first tapped to Nate Diaz, Holly Holm went out on her shield, trying to punch Meisha Tate in the face, from behind, while Tate choked Holm into unconsciousness.

Meanwhile, Conor McGregor "shot for the legs" .... "gave his back" ... and "quietly tapped" ... in order to prevent Diaz from finishing him by KO.

For the BMF title, fuck that shit.
I know the UFC has been always looked as a bit gimmicky at times, but with all the shit they've been pulling throughout this year they've really regressed the sport in some ways. That title never made sense and bringing back as vacant is hilarious considering the last guy who "had" it was in a different division and lost every single fight after getting that strap.
Yet somehow it's now vacant while there's a guy named Leon Edwards who is the lineal BMF champion.

Right now, the BMF title is basically a consolation prize for LWs and WWs who didn't have what it takes to be a legit Champion.

For the BMF title to be legit, it would have to involve a round-robin between LHWs and HWs, across promotions, to determine which lone individual wins in the end.

That is the only way to determine who, for real, is the "Baddest MF" on the planet.

Anything less than that is a joke.

 

[Mr. Super Necessary]

I like the spirit of the BMF...

They should keep doing it as it is - one n done for whoever wins it. No defending of it. Because, that adds timelines and also fights of people who may fit the title - of the title.

It's cool if like, whoever wins this... wins it. N thas it. They're a BMF.

Then somewhere next will be BMF 3... and so on.

N each time it's an event of who's chosen to fight for it, because you have to have a certain style and image to fans for it to even make sense, plus who presents it, plus the fact it won't be contended or defended regularly, so makes it actually like more special too.

...so I don't agree it's just a condolence prize for 'non real title winners', because you have to be a certain fighter to even fight for this. I like that not everyone can fight or makes sense for it. And having world title holders fight for one would disprove that stigma.

Jones vs. Aspinall would be a good next one.

 

[humperdoo]

I couldn't count on Aspinal to win against Jones. Tom has a lot to munch.

 

[svmr_db]

True BMFs don't quit or tap out ... they fight to finish or be finished.

Right now, they should just hand the title over to Jones.

Gaethje and Poirier will be entertaining, but each has quit and/or tapped in the past.
Both yielded/quit to Charles Oliveira and Khabib.
Charles Oliveira quit to Khabib's protégé.

Neither Khabib nor Jon has ever lost, ever quit, ever tapped.
They both are always coming forward, and are always the stronger fighter in the end.

In the UFC, no one else can really make that statement.

Did you just indirectly disqualify your boy Alex Pereira from being considered a BMF? Because he tapped out in his lone loss before he came to the UFC.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

Did you just indirectly disqualify your boy Alex Pereira from being considered a BMF? Because he tapped out in his lone loss before he came to the UFC.

Yes.

I think Alex Pereira is a hell of a fighter, but I do not consider him to be "the baddest man on the planet" ... there are plenty of giant HWs that would destroy him.

But in the UFC, I consider him to be the best puncher / kicker in the entire organization.

 

[sabretitan]

Search 80's Tyson training, fights, and interviews to understand the BMF.
No one EVER had his combination of animosity, ferocious fight IQ and physical ability.

Sonny Liston made Tyson look like a boyscout.
........ Just ask Mike

 

[KOPPE]

convicted rapists are bmf

 

[Tweak896]

Actually a dope promo, can't hate with Tyson narrating. Only cringe part is I don't see either Gaethje/Poirier on the BMF level of Tyson, but can't deny they both lay it all out there on the line.

 

[FlowchartRog]

I suppose this should qualify

 

[Question]

Disagree. You never know until you know.

99% of fighters would've quit to the mounted choke Brian Ortega had locked on Volkanovski, but Alex struggled and was prepared to do or die. He did, and escaped.
Michael Bisping didn't tap to GSP, he struggled until he was finished.
On the same card that Conor first tapped to Nate Diaz, Holly Holm went out on her shield, trying to punch Meisha Tate in the face, from behind, while Tate choked Holm into unconsciousness.

Meanwhile, Conor McGregor "shot for the legs" .... "gave his back" ... and "quietly tapped" ... in order to prevent Diaz from finishing him by KO.

I just don't get that mentality when badasses and greats like Silva, GSP and Aldo who have been tapped out early in their careers before going on these great runs along with becoming the GOAT of their own divisions.
Nothing wrong with avoiding any further unnecessary damage, many will learn from those mistakes and will become better fighters from it.

Right now, the BMF title is basically a consolation prize for LWs and WWs who didn't have what it takes to be a legit Champion.

For the BMF title to be legit, it would have to involve a round-robin between LHWs and HWs, across promotions, to determine which lone individual wins in the end.

That is the only way to determine who, for real, is the "Baddest MF" on the planet.

Anything less than that is a joke.

It just feels forced.
It's like the UFC are too scared to make a PPV main event a non-title fight nowadays outside of a select few names(Conor and Jorge). Like I said before, Poirier/Gaethje 2 sells itself and I'm finding it hard to believe that the BMF title being slapped onto that fight is gonna bring it a lot more interest.

At the very least they could have a proper criteria for it so people can get an understanding why they picked those two to compete for that belt and how others can become eligible contenders for it.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

I just don't get that mentality when badasses and greats like Silva, GSP and Aldo who have been tapped out early in their careers before going on these great runs along with becoming the GOAT of their own divisions.
Nothing wrong with avoiding any further unnecessary damage, many will learn from those mistakes and will become better fighters from it.

All of these are great, talented fighters. Would never suggest otherwise.

But they are not as "badass " as the aforementioned (Jones / Khabib), who were similarly great, yet they never lost, they never yielded, and they never tapped.

It just feels forced.
It's like the UFC are too scared to make a PPV main event a non-title fight nowadays outside of a select few names(Conor and Jorge). Like I said before, Poirier/Gaethje 2 sells itself and I'm finding it hard to believe that the BMF title being slapped onto that fight is gonna bring it a lot more interest.
At the very least they could have a proper criteria for it so people can get an understanding why they picked those two to compete for that belt and how others can become eligible contenders for it.

I think 100% of the fight fan population believes the "BMF title and belt" are cringe AF ...

And in fact, I'll bet Mike Tyson and those who made that little video laughed their asses off when the sequence was cut.

 

[Question]

All of these are great, talented fighters. Would never suggest otherwise.

But they are not as "badass " as the aforementioned (Jones / Khabib), who were similarly great, yet they never lost, they never yielded, and they never tapped.

Agree to disagree.

I think 100% of the fight fan population believes the "BMF title and belt" are cringe AF ...

And in fact, I'll bet Mike Tyson and those who made that little video laughed their asses off when the sequence was cut.

I saw some being cool with it way back in 2019 when it was Jorge and Diaz, but I think that was because it was something new and those two at the time were huge stars. Still cringy, however it became way worse when they made Jorge parade it around while being on a three fight skid.

Now people most think it's cringy and rather just discuss the actual matchup instead of the BMF title slapped onto it.
Like seriously Imagine telling someone "Sorry we can't hangout saturday night, I'm gonna be busy watching the Baddest Motherfucking Championship fight for UFC 291"<45>
Outside of slap fighting, it's definitely some of corniest shit the UFC has done in a long time.

 

[nonoob]

PLEASE Watch Mike speak on this topic. He IS GOAT BMF. Period.