Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[Fukkup]

Bro I don't even think you know what your point is

your ability to construct anything clear and concise is embarrassing.

maybe don't try so hard to sound smart when you clearly are not and your mumbling might be understood.

Mumbling? Through text? You are a fucking fool that deserves nothing but ridicule at this point.

 

[chinarice]

MJW would have ktfo Ali, Tyson Fury, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, etc.,with ease in a boxing match.

He could have also wrecked every MMA fighter in history....

He just chose not to......

 

[VirginNose]

This thread might turn out legendary

Keep going guys

 

[MescalineDreams]

Mumbling? Through text? You are a fucking fool that deserves nothing but ridicule at this point.

ridicule coming from people like yourself only brings entertainment. Feel free to continue feeding me energy.

Still waiting for a response to the post below. I'd also add that, I think in terms of the bigger picture. So, every piece of the puzzle is responsible for thinking the way I do.

The answer to your questions is found in this post, but the larger point simply went over your head. As usual.

I don't think you know much about fighting. That's why you seem to have such a problem with this.

Lol, I addressed other people before you because they actually have a brain and understand fighting.

You've been talking out your ass for as long as I've known you

Remember that hydroxycloroquine thread. Where you felt the incessant need to chime in, even parrot the mainstream narrative in spite of doing no research on the topic whatsoever.

that's you.

You don't even care about the truth. Just want to perpetuate some shitty narrative in your distorted, small minded version of reality.

You literally spent the last few pages making incoherent posts, not even clarifying what your points were or what you took offense to.

You've been attempting to sound intelligent and coming off as tryhard, forced and failing miserably.

your ability to construct a clear, concise and articulate argument is comically bad.

it's very clear to see that I've been speaking some truth in these last few pages. If you understand anything about fighting, it should be clear what MJW is bringing to the table skill wise.

The question is whether that he has the ability to take a punch. he has that warrior mentality. he has that toughness. That is he question, not his skills.

I provided a lot of evidence which paints a picture of his skillset, style, strengths and highlighted the overall bigger picture of what he brings to the table as a martial artist.

The evidence is there, it simply requires a person to understand boxing. To understand striking. To understand footwork and movement. To understand the subtle hip, core, shoulder and feet rotations into each strike. To understand the ideal head position and movement upon each strike thrown.

It requires a person to take heed to testimony like Rogan, who understands more about elite kicking game than 99% of humans on the planet. Who personally attested to his elite Kyokushin prowess.

Even things like movies. Yes, they're choreographed and the unrealistic shit should be ignored. But the techniques being demonstrated are very real.

The short clip against Machida was not choreographed. They were just flowing, playing. However, it painted a picture of the kind of attributes and style you could expect from him. Much in line from what we've seen from traditional martial artists like Machida and wonderboy who made it to the top of their respective divisions.

emphasis on things like elite distance control, ability to fight and counter off the back foot, countering prowess, movement, balance and footwork, etc.

Sometimes evidence doesn't come in the most obvious form. We are left to our own devices.

My logic is using every piece of information at our disposal to form a clear picture of where he stands as a martial artist.

ultimately this relies on someone understanding all the things I've mentioned.

If you don't understand the game, you aren't going to see the truth in what I say.

and that's the reality here. many of you guys simply don't seem capable of watching, discerning and getting a feel for someone a skills from footage. Which indicates to me that very few of you understand much about boxing, striking, movement and a whole host of other attributes that make up a quality martial artist

This isn't about me having some magic eye. Literally show the same footage to anyone in a decent boxing / striking gym and they'd say the same things I have. It's called having fight iq and the ability to recognize skills.

It's not about me being special. it's about many of you guys just not understanding what you're watching.

Like I said before, you don't care about the truth. You just want to right. You're just being a contrarian when in reality you probably don't understand half the shit being said. Why else would you ask me to repeat / explain myself and articulate my position. You don't even understand the points being made.

no different than that hydroxycloroquine thread

 

[King.]

Maybe

There's a few traditional martial artists where you just feel they're pussies and can't truly throw down.

JKVD comes to mind.

my feel on MJW is that he isn't like that. I think he could throw down if the situation arose for it.



Like on the street for example. When you have skills and can fight, people sort of unconsciously know that you could bust it out if need be. it's weird. Like some kind of psychic knowing or something, lol. I can't explain it but people just know. it's in ur aura or something. It's why I've never actually gotten into a fight outside the gym.

If you a martial artist / fighter you prob know what I mean.

that's kinda the vibe I get. Like, I'm no pussy. I can fight. But I wouldn't wanna fuck with him.

I could be wrong. Sounds like wild speculation on my end but my feel for this kind of thing is generally pretty on point lol

Well, as far as your point on JCVD I think you are wildly speculating. Are you aware that he had a few dozen full contact fights under his birth name Jean Claude Van Varenberg? And that he won most of those by way of knockout?

I think the whole issue here is gut feeling versus actual, proven records. Michael Jai White might very well kick Jean Claude's ass or Mike Perry's ass all over the place. But he has not done anything in a real form of competition to indicate that he would or could.

The other two gentlemen have and have done so repeatedly. That is why they should be considered favorites over Michael Jai White any day of the week, despite the obvious size difference.

 

[2 COOL]

In a striking fight, MJW would crush Perry like a bug.

He would dick him down so hard and forcefully that Perry would cry in the cage, after begging for mercy.

ADCC Perry has a shot tho

I have been watching mma LONG before you look at my join date TY. So my opinion means more, The guy is an actor and a old man. Sure for his age he is in GREAT shape, sure he * spars * with some top guys in combat sports. But he is not a fighter. I might be wrong here so ( legit mma fans ) help me out here, a guy who is skilled in martial arts, but is an actor, and knows what is going to happen in scenes, does not qualify as a fighter.... Even Perry sure he is not great but in a cage, with Perry coming at him, it wont be like a movie set lmao. I think you know this tho, I think you are bored, and a BIG fan of White, and are looking for conversation lol well hell it worked here I am as well typing lol....

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Every tma guy I ever sparred with, even after training mt and boxing for a year before sparring, couldn’t react to real non stop action. It takes a while to break bad habits.

Post a video of you fighting/sparring

 

[MescalineDreams]

Well, as far as your point on JCVD I think you are wildly speculating. Are you aware that he had a few dozen full contact fights under his birth name Jean Claude Van Varenberg? And that he won most of those by way of knockout?

I think the whole issue here is gut feeling versus actual, proven records. Michael Jai White might very well kick Jean Claude's ass or Mike Perry's ass all over the place. But he has not done anything in a real form of competition to indicate that he would or could.

The other two gentlemen have and have done so repeatedly. That is why they should be considered favorites over Michael Jai White any day of the week, despite the obvious size difference.

yeah I realized that shortly after I posted it.

I forgot he had fights lol

I agree though. Obviously a proven track record is the most powerful form of evidence.

but sometimes, like in this instance we are left to our own devices.

I think the main question is how he handles being hit and all the elements of a real fight. I think we can acknowledge that his martial arts skills are very real.

 

[MescalineDreams]

I have been watching mma LONG before you look at my join date TY. So my opinion means more, The guy is an actor and a old man. Sure for his age he is in GREAT shape, sure he * spars * with some top guys in combat sports. But he is not a fighter. I might be wrong here so ( legit mma fans ) help me out here, a guy who is skilled in martial arts, but is an actor, and knows what is going to happen in scenes, does not qualify as a fighter.... Even Perry sure he is not great but in a cage, with Perry coming at him, it wont be like a movie set lmao. I think you know this tho, I think you are bored, and a BIG fan of White, and are looking for conversation lol well hell it worked here I am as well typing lol....

I had an account back in 2007

At the time I was super young and basically an overzealous vegan who was pissing off the Paleo dominant nutrition mods..lol.

Been watching since pride

I like white, I respect his skills, wouldn't necessarily say I'm a fan of him.

 

[CannotWin]

I'm 6'3 240 u fucking nobody

far from fat.

I've also trained under a pro boxer and been boxing / striking for over a decade.

Perry is shit. Plain and simple. There's nothing impressive about being able to beat him.

any decent boxing gym is full of fighters who provide an infinitely greater challenge them that dude.

I'm pretty easily one of the smarter people on this site. some clown who gets shit on in every single debate you've ever had with me has no business calling me dumb.

projection at its finest. You haven't said one intelligent thing in any post you've ever made.

Oof. This takes all kinds of dummy trophies, even for Sherdog.

 

[King.]

yeah I realized that shortly after I posted it.

I forgot he had fights lol

I agree though. Obviously a proven track record is the most powerful form of evidence.

but sometimes, like in this instance we are left to our own devices.

I think the main question is how he handles being hit and all the elements of a real fight. I think we can acknowledge that his martial arts skills are very real.

Well, I think you're on the nose there regarding the main question. What I don't agree on is your last statement, or perhaps that requires an agreement on what you would regard as "martial arts skills" first, as that is a very broad term to use.

What I've seen of the guy; he's a big, muscular athletic dude that looks good when hitting a bag. What I also know is that there is an enormous difference between doing that (hitting a bag or even sparring) or being in a real competitive fight. You only have to look at Paige van Zant just to name a recent example. All that pretty bag work and technique went right out the fucking window in her most recent fight.

I think the most you can say about Jai White is that he is unproven, which brings me back to my original point. Perry and even JCVD - since we brought him up anyways - must be favoured over him based on the evidence we have. Michael Jai White might be a great fighter, he seems knowledgeable as well, but until he puts his money where is mouth is - which the other guys we mentioned have done - he has no business to speak on the matter.

 

[Fukkup]

Lol, I addressed other people before you because they actually have a brain and understand fighting. No. You claimed you had no time to debate when I was able to pin you down on your bias, you then came back and started talking shit without ever addressing my points.

You've been talking out your ass for as long as I've known you Ironic

Remember that hydroxycloroquine thread. Where you felt the incessant need to chime in, even parrot the mainstream narrative in spite of doing no research on the topic whatsoever. I want to stay on topic but the fact you still push this is hilarious.

that's you.

You don't even care about the truth. Just want to perpetuate some shitty narrative in your distorted, small minded version of reality.
That is literally what you have done in this thread. You have perpetuated the shitty narrative that MJW is an elite striker despite being unable to produce any evidence of him ever fighting. When pushed on this you start appealing to intangibles and claiming that watching him train is enough because you are trained and can see it. That is not evidence, that is your own biased view.

You literally spent the last few pages making incoherent posts, not even clarifying what your points were or what you took offense to. My posts were perfectly clear, I made a point, which you refused to acknowledge without direct quotation. I begrudgingly went back and provided quotes on two separate occasions, you ignored this.

You've been attempting to sound intelligent and coming off as tryhard, forced and failing miserably.

I have tried to sound intelligent how?

your ability to construct a clear, concise and articulate argument is comically bad.

Once again, the irony.

it's very clear to see that I've been speaking some truth in these last few pages. If you understand anything about fighting, it should be clear what MJW is bringing to the table skill wise.

The only thing we KNOW that MJW brings to the skillwise is choreographed fight moves. Your proof of his striking doesnt contain any full contact sparring/fights. None. Your unbiased view is that you have decided by watching him move that he has great striking. In what world is that not completely biased?

The question is whether that he has the ability to take a punch. he has that warrior mentality. he has that toughness. That is he question, not his skills.

Except his skills ARE in question, and more importantly how they would fare in a fight with Mike Perry. We are not talking about can he execute martial arts techniques with great technique, literally no one has argued against that. The debate is could he beat Mike Perry in a fight.

I provided a lot of evidence which paints a picture of his skillset, style, strengths and highlighted the overall bigger picture of what he brings to the table as a martial artist.

You provided no evidence of how his skills apply to a fight, which is the point. All your evidence is based on your own biased interpretation of his striking skills.

The evidence is there, it simply requires a person to understand boxing. To understand striking. To understand footwork and movement. To understand the subtle hip, core, shoulder and feet rotations into each strike. To understand the ideal head position and movement upon each strike thrown.

I would be more than happy for you to give us even a sneak peak at your knowledge, please tell us about MJWs boxing technique that makes you so confident about his skill level?

It requires a person to take heed to testimony like Rogan, who understands more about elite kicking game than 99% of humans on the planet. Who personally attested to his elite Kyokushin prowess.

Its not surprising you are a big fan of Joe, and by extension hyperbole, anecdotal evidence and just flat out unsubstantiated garbage. I know Joe knows about kicking technique. I believe that MJW has great kicking technique. I have never seen any evidence of how that would apply to a real life scenario. Joe Rogan claiming MJW has great kicking technique proves only that Joe Rogan thinks that MJW has great kicking technique.

Even things like movies. Yes, they're choreographed and the unrealistic shit should be ignored. But the techniques being demonstrated are very real.

What isn't demonstrated is how they apply to real life.

The short clip against Machida was not choreographed. They were just flowing, playing. However, it painted a picture of the kind of attributes and style you could expect from him. Much in line from what we've seen from traditional martial artists like Machida and wonderboy who made it to the top of their respective divisions.

The difference, two out of those three have fought and won at the highest level. The other is an actor.

emphasis on things like elite distance control, ability to fight and counter off the back foot, countering prowess, movement, balance and footwork, etc.

Once again literally no evidence of this in real life.

Sometimes evidence doesn't come in the most obvious form. We are left to our own devices.

Do you want to elaborate? there is a big waft of bias coming from that statement.

My logic is using every piece of information at our disposal to form a clear picture of where he stands as a martial artist.

We have no information on how he applies his martial arts in real life, once again, the point of the thread.

ultimately this relies on someone understanding all the things I've mentioned.

And then blindly asserting he would easily beat Perry.

If you don't understand the game, you aren't going to see the truth in what I say.

You haven't said much other than you can what you can tell because of your unquantifiable or provable knowledge.

and that's the reality here. many of you guys simply don't seem capable of watching, discerning and getting a feel for someone a skills from footage. Which indicates to me that very few of you understand much about boxing, striking, movement and a whole host of other attributes that make up a quality martial artist

This isn't about me having some magic eye. Literally show the same footage to anyone in a decent boxing / striking gym and they'd say the same things I have. It's called having fight iq and the ability to recognize skills.

Fight IQ relates to fighters and how they strategise and adapt in a fight. Also its called having a biased opinion of someones skills.

It's not about me being special. it's about many of you guys just not understanding what you're watching.

Like I said before, you don't care about the truth. You just want to right. You're just being a contrarian when in reality you probably don't understand half the shit being said. Why else would you ask me to repeat / explain myself and articulate my position. You don't even understand the points being made.

I actually wanted you to repeat yourself because that is how you debate, you ask for clarification on someones points. However, you would rather just duck, dodge and dive anytime I wanted to address even one of your bullshit claims.

no different than that hydroxycloroquine thread

 

[MescalineDreams]

Oof. This takes all kinds of dummy trophies, even for Sherdog.

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[kflo]

Post a video of you fighting/sparring

Do you have any response to what I actually posted or no actual knowledge of what I’m saying?

 

[kflo]

Fight for world title in boxing and European champion

The other guy wbc International champion and was top 20 ranked mw

Yeah, competitive actual fighters generally have proven they can fight. Boxers can box. Thx for the insight. Not sure why you found the need to post about 2 boxers being able to beat perry in boxing in a thread about mjw.

 

[Diederik]

This thread should be renamed, "give MescalineDreams an ego check".

 

[kflo]

wouldn't call it special, no.

I believe anyone worth their salt can tell you a lot about someone from little though.

I know boxing well enough where I can paint a very good picture with very little footage. It doesn't take much to have some idea of where a person stands

Even the way someone throw a jab can speak volumes

It wasn't necessarily that what he was showing was super impressive, it's that whatever person does, regardless how big or small, exposes some of their real skillset.

On the surface level you're right, but glimpses of your true ability will always slip through the cracks if you pay close attention.

Also, Nowhere have I ever argued fight aptitude. Only skills. what he has demonstrated on paper.

Again, the idea that you discerned some high level of skills from that video is ridiculous. He has trained. He has some fundamentals. Enough to teach a novice video. He’s a skilled martial artist. But to make the leap that he’s way more advanced than the guys who test their skills for real, test the actual application of their skills, because of brief moments of demonstrations is silly.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Yeah, competitive actual fighters generally have proven they can fight. Boxers can box. Thx for the insight. Not sure why you found the need to post about 2 boxers being able to beat perry in boxing in a thread about mjw.

Because I knew I would lure a reply from you and I was right

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Do you have any response to what I actually posted or no actual knowledge of what I’m saying?

Not interested in your quote

Just glanced you saying you train

I don't believe you

Please provide evidence or admit you are a liar

You have behaved appallingly in this thread

I admit to trolling from time to time

You have shown repeatedly that you are a nasty, bitter little man

 

[IBeLurkin]

This isn't really something you'd be able to say with much accuracy.

You don't even see the irony of you saying this after you've spent pages guessing that this actor is a great fighter, do you