Opinion Meryl Streep says the term 'toxic masculinity' hurts boys: 'women can be pretty f***ing toxic"

[BarryDillon]

Not a reasonable interpretation at all and it's strange you are arguing so much in this thread despite not knowing what Toxic Masculinity actually is. Also explains why you are using things like DUIs, drug addiction, and HS drop out rates to support the concept of Toxic Masculinity.

They all support it for the same reason. The masculine idea of going it alone, and not needing help.

"I can drive! I'm a man!"

"I don't need no education to make it. I'm a man!"

"I don't need help with my drug use. I'm a man!"

"I'm a rugged, American man, and I can do it myself!!!"

 

[BarryDillon]

Well, men seem to be doing most of the killing around here. And we seem to be doing it a lot more over the past 25 years. Anything fundamental change about how the world operates over the last 25 years? It's just a suggestion.

Yes. White people in the U.S. are losing their privileged status in society, and they can't deal with it.

 

[BarryDillon]

Why? I disagree with virtually every point in your post, and I've voiced that in more detail in many other threads, but you can't be swayed regardless of how rational the rebuttal. There's nothing to be gained by conversing with you.

You're a closed book. You exist to be flogged or ignored.

Concession accepted.

 

[BarryDillon]

Yes! I've been called Christian, Muslim, and atheist today! The prestigious trifecta. If I can somehow get someone to call me a Jew, I win the internet forever.

Also, fuck off.

Can it, jew.

 

[Madmick]

Concession accepted.

Nothing conceded. Merely parlayed.

 

[DLX]

Okay Meryl...

You gain a couple pts.

 

[MikeMcMann]

No. It means that certain things deemed masculine by society are actually toxic, and therefore toxic masculinity. It's really not a difficult concept. You're more than intelligent enough to get it.

Let go of your male identity, and assess the information dispassionately.

That's just nonsense. It is no different and the same tactic Trump and racists use to dog whistle and blanket slander minorities and others. They seize on certain elements that might be identifiable and true and blanket apply the terms to groups knowing exactly what they are doing.

You are more intelligent than to not get the agenda driven reason why such a blanket term is used whether by Trumpers or those on the far right or by social activists on the far left.

 

[BarryDillon]

That's just nonsense. It is no different and the same tactic Trump and racists use to dog whistle and blanket slander minorities and others. They seize on certain elements that might be identifiable and true and blanket apply the terms to groups knowing exactly what they are doing.

You are more intelligent than to not get the agenda driven reason why such a blanket term is used whether by Trumpers or those on the far right or by social activists on the far left.

LMAO. What agenda driven reason?

What I said is irrefutably true.

 

[splendica]

Somebody sane in Hollywood? I must be dreaming.

I wouldn't say she's certified sane yet lol, but it's encouraging to see that even the insane are starting to see alarming aspects of the broader insanity that they may be a part of.

 

[cooks1]

Yes. White people in the U.S. are losing their privileged status in society, and they can't deal with it.

I do not see that manifesting in many places outside the interwebs and asshat pervs getting their comeuppance. People spend too much time on line, and it is a lot easier get yourself worked up than it used to be.

 

[luckyshot]

Can it, jew.

YES! I won the internet!!! Soros bless!

 

[BarryDillon]

I do not see that manifesting in many places outside the interwebs and asshat pervs getting their comeuppance. People spend too much time on line, and it is a lot easier get yourself worked up than it used to be.

Maybe take a look at the opioid crisis for details.

 

[luckyshot]

They all support it for the same reason. The masculine idea of going it alone, and not needing help.

"I can drive! I'm a man!"

"I don't need no education to make it. I'm a man!"

"I don't need help with my drug use. I'm a man!"

"I'm a rugged, American man, and I can do it myself!!!"

So, this is where we get to the "controversial" hypothesis stage of the term. But there is certainly scientific reason to think this way.

1. Basic correlation: Men have far higher suicide rates than women.
https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
2. Hypothesis: One cause of men's higher incidence of suicide is that they do not seek treatment for mental health issues as frequently as women do.
3. Supporting correlations:
a. Far fewer men than women are receiving therapeutic treatment for mental health issues.
https://www.bustle.com/p/men-dont-g...earchers-are-trying-to-figure-out-why-5550931
b. States with lower incidence of people in therapy for mental health issues have higher rates of suicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/opinion/sunday/talking-red-state-blues.html

But people don't want to think. They'd rather spazz out on someone pointing out things they don't want to hear.

Human behavior is complicated. But to say we cannot find connections between diverse phenomena is to give up on the idea of any coherent, shared meaning at all. And to do that just because you don't like the story that a particular set of correlations tells is... I don't know... "fragile" certainly comes to mind. So does "childish."

 

[BarryDillon]

But people don't want to think. They'd rather shout down someone groping towards the truth (which is all science is).

Science is rape CONFIRMED.

 

[cooks1]

Maybe take a look at the opioid crisis for details.

I agree that the opioid crisis is a huge problem. But just because 3/4 of the people OD'ing are white, I don't agree that is a consequence of white people not being able to deal with the loss of their white privilege. I think it has a lot more to do with the way opioids were marketed.

In fact, ironicaally, it was more likely racism that caused the disproportionate % of white deaths. A lot more white people were prescribed opioids than black.

"We propose that the prescription drug crisis should be thought of as a 'double-sided' epidemic, in which systematic racism within the healthcare system has led to increased addiction and overdoses among low-income white areas, but also insufficient treatment among nonwhite communities," Joseph Friedman from David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA, Los Angeles, California told Reuters Health by email.

https://www.psychcongress.com/news/...se-deaths-most-common-among-low-income-whites

 

[BarryDillon]

I agree that the opioid crisis is a huge problem. But just because 3/4 of the people OD'ing are white, I don't agree that is a consequence of white people not being able to deal with the loss of their white privilege. I think it has a lot more to do with the way opioids were marketed.

It's the depression and hopelessness that leads to the addiction eventually killing them. They're seeing their position in American Society eroded beyond repair, and they don't have the tools to find a healthier sense of self.

 

[MikeMcMann]

LMAO. What agenda driven reason?

What I said is irrefutably true.

its refuted nonsense.

Just like saying Trump is not dog whistling with words. Sadly the far left and right are truly reflections of one another and this is proof of that.

 

[cooks1]

It's the depression and hopelessness that leads to the addiction eventually killing them. They're seeing their position in American Society eroded beyond repair, and they don't have the tools to find a healthier sense of self.

Wrong. Racism within the healthcare industry has led to whites getting a lot more access to opioids than blacks. Not my opinion. For once that whole racism thing actually helped out.

https://www.psychcongress.com/news/...se-deaths-most-common-among-low-income-whites

"We propose that the prescription drug crisis should be thought of as a 'double-sided' epidemic, in which systematic racism within the healthcare system has led to increased addiction and overdoses among low-income white areas, but also insufficient treatment among nonwhite communities," Joseph Friedman from David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA, Los Angeles, California told Reuters Health by email.

Hilarious that you think the loss of white privilege created a problem that was actually created by racism. That's just fucking golden.

 

[BarryDillon]

its refuted nonsense.

Just like saying Trump is not dog whistling with words. Sadly the far left and right are truly reflections of one another and this is proof of that.

What is my agenda for using the words?

No offense, but you haven't refuted jack shit.

 

[BarryDillon]

Wrong. Racism within the healthcare industry has led to whites getting a lot more access to opioids than blacks. Not my opinion. For once that whole racism thing actually helped out.

https://www.psychcongress.com/news/...se-deaths-most-common-among-low-income-whites



Hilarious that you think the loss of white privilege created a problem that was actually created by racism. That's just fucking golden.

Racism in the healthcare industry didn't make those people susceptible to addiction. It didn't create the environment that they live in.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/