Meltzer reports on Bellators gameplan moving forward

[Amerikuracana]

Too many MMA shows right now. UFC needs to stop spreading it's roster so thin, and Bellator.. I don't even know. I have watched since before MTV2 and I probably will keep watching, but I'm not impressed with the Bonnar v Tito direction.. It's short term (maybe) win long term fail to me..

Bonnar is still on the UFC roster on their web-site btw.

You know what is going to happen? I can't make a thread on it, but I would.. Viacom is going to buy the UFC. It's not going to be the UFC buying Bellator, I think Viacom is going to buy the UFC and put MMA back on Spike and other Viacom networks. I could really see that happening within a few years.

 

[DGT4NOW]

You know what is going to happen? I can't make a thread on it, but I would.. Viacom is going to buy the UFC. It's not going to be the UFC buying Bellator, I think Viacom is going to buy the UFC and put MMA back on Spike and other Viacom networks. I could really see that happening within a few years.

That scenario is impossible until 2019.
UFC has a 7 year deal with FOX

 

[lapollarecords]

Too many MMA shows right now. UFC needs to stop spreading it's roster so thin, and Bellator.. I don't even know. I have watched since before MTV2 and I probably will keep watching, but I'm not impressed with the Bonnar v Tito direction.. It's short term (maybe) win long term fail to me..

Bonnar is still on the UFC roster on their web-site btw.

You know what is going to happen? I can't make a thread on it, but I would.. Viacom is going to buy the UFC. It's not going to be the UFC buying Bellator, I think Viacom is going to buy the UFC and put MMA back on Spike and other Viacom networks. I could really see that happening within a few years.

 

[jamesgalb]

Shit doesn't make any sense to me. If these are your big shows you are basically ensuring they don't get Media coverage. What Media member isnt going to want to go to Mexico for the UFC debut? The answer is all of them want to go and then Bellator is left with scraps.

This show proved that they have some unique audience. But still the ratings for a show that was stacked with some of their biggest names did 600k.

Plus bars are going to show the UFC over Bellator because its a bigger brand.

I get that you may run into them here and there but try not to go head to head with them at the least.

If Bellator puts on a few more solid fights, I say they absolutely smash the UFC's PPV. Its the perfect storm for the ultimate powerplay.

UFC would have a very hard time if they went up against something like...

Tito Ortiz vs Stephan Bonnar
Michael Chandler vs Will Brooks 2
Bobby Lashley vs James Thompson 2
Julia Budd vs Marloes Coenen
Marcos Galvao vs Rafael Silva

Diego Nunes vs Marlon Sandro
Ryan Couture vs Derek Anderson
Spartan Queiroz vs Augusto Sakai
Herman Terrado vs Kesslar/Juarez
Brandon Bender vs Antonio Duarte

I think that card would get plenty of MMA and Cali/Casual-type media, especially those that would normally go to the UFC event but dont have a visa or want to go to Mexico or whatever.

 

[Bigj383]

If Bellator puts on a few more solid fights, I say they absolutely smash the UFC's PPV. Its the perfect storm for the ultimate powerplay.

UFC would have a very hard time if they went up against something like...

Tito Ortiz vs Stephan Bonnar
Michael Chandler vs Will Brooks 2
Bobby Lashley vs James Thompson 2
Julia Budd vs Marloes Coenen
Marcos Galvao vs Rafael Silva

Diego Nunes vs Marlon Sandro
Ryan Couture vs Derek Anderson
Spartan Queiroz vs Augusto Sakai
Herman Terrado vs Kesslar/Juarez
Brandon Bender vs Antonio Duarte

I think that card would get plenty of MMA and Cali/Casual-type media, especially those that would normally go to the UFC event but dont have a visa or want to go to Mexico or whatever.

UFC PPV will not be hurt by Bellator's show regardless of the card.

 

[CardinalAqua]

Bellator Names Viacom Exec Jason Jordan COO

Jordan will oversee financial and operational aspects of the business, as well as manage corporate strategy and business development efforts, said network officials. He’ll report to Scott Coker, Bellator MMA president.​

 

[CatchnShoot]

That scenario is impossible until 2019.
UFC has a 7 year deal with FOX

The 7 year deal with Fox doesn't proclude the sale of Zuffa or the UFC brand.
If Viacom DID actually buy Zuffa/UFC, you'd have Viacom providing content purchased by FOX.
Wouldn't that pwn?

Viacom could do some talent balancing between the UFC and Bellator and really shake things up.

This will NEVER happen though. No way, no how. If Viacom wanted the UFC, they wouldn't have gone into business with Bellator in the first place.
The proposed scenario makes no $ense.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

He's with Titan now.

Came up with this a couple of weeks
ago, didn't update. Copy and paste job.

Bigger mistake on my part... notice Thiago Silva (???). He's back with the UFC now.

But are those TitanFC contracts exclusive? Is Hasegawa not the DEEP HW Champ anymore? (I just read he's expected to fight at LHW with Titan)

 

[chunglii]

Their gameplan should include alot less pro wrestling bullshit than it currently does and stop trying to capitalize on fading stars and instead try to find their own talent and build it from the ground up.

 

[Bigj383]

Came up with this a couple of weeks
ago, didn't update. Copy and paste job.

Bigger mistake on my part... notice Thiago Silva (???). He's back with the UFC now.

But are those TitanFC contracts exclusive? Is Hasegawa not the DEEP HW Champ anymore? (I just read he's expected to fight at LHW with Titan)

I pretty sure Titan has a UFC out clause.

 

[spikemma]

Too many MMA shows right now. UFC needs to stop spreading it's roster so thin, and Bellator.. I don't even know. I have watched since before MTV2 and I probably will keep watching, but I'm not impressed with the Bonnar v Tito direction.. It's short term (maybe) win long term fail to me..

Bonnar is still on the UFC roster on their web-site btw.

You know what is going to happen? I can't make a thread on it, but I would.. Viacom is going to buy the UFC. It's not going to be the UFC buying Bellator, I think Viacom is going to buy the UFC and put MMA back on Spike and other Viacom networks. I could really see that happening within a few years.

Lmfao listen man lay off the alcohol.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Lmfao listen man lay off the alcohol.

Name 5 entities very interested in MMA..

Name 5 with experience in producing it with some moderate success..

Name 5 with the money to easily buy the UFC, assuming the UFC doesn't keep falling and stays around its current value..

Name 5 entities still actively pursuing making serious money from the sport..


Ok, now, there are two American bodies which would be in every one of those categories. Viacom, and Fox. There could be some non-American interests, like the Middle Eastern oil baron types who have a personal love for the sport, and who would probably enjoy owning the UFC.. Although that would probably fail, imo.

If the UFC ever plans on selling, which I bet they do because that is what makes sense.. Making them all much MORE wealthy capitalizing off what they have built and not working crazy hard with it into older age.

So what do YOU think? Who do YOU think the UFC would sell to? Or do you think the Fertittas and Dana want to face the pain until they are elderly?

 

[lapollarecords]

of course man. Viacom will throw a couple of billion to Zuffa to have UFC back on Spike.

 

[Amerikuracana]

of course man. Viacom will throw a couple of billion to Zuffa to have UFC back on Spike.

It's not going to be a couple billion.. And you know, they want to do PPVs, right?

 

[lapollarecords]

It's not going to be a couple billion.. And you know, they want to do PPVs, right?

tel us then how much it is going to be :icon_lol:

 

[Amerikuracana]

tel us then how much it is going to be :icon_lol:

You are the one that said 2 billion. Laugh at yourself.

I would guess about 800 million right now? Hard to tell without having access to their accounting spreadsheets. It would of course be easy to figure out what they are really making a year with their Balance Sheet/Income Statement/Cash Flows and a few little finance formulas. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, however.

 

[Bigj383]

You are the one that said 2 billion. Laugh at yourself.

I would guess about 800 million right now? Hard to tell without having access to their accounting spreadsheets. It would of course be easy to figure out what they are really making a year with their Balance Sheet/Income Statement/Cash Flows and a few little finance formulas. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, however.

800,000,000 would get them a minority share of the UFC about a 20% share.

 

[Amerikuracana]

800,000,000 would get them a minority share of the UFC about a 20% share.

I suppose that is possible, but I would say it's massively overpriced. How much did that Arab oil guy pay for his share? I think he has around 20%, doesn't he?

I could see the UFC selling for > 1,000,000,000 right now, but 4 billion? I don't think so Tim. The UFC is making more off TV rights right now than they probably did a few years ago even when ppv sales were higher, so the doom and gloom you see around here may be inappropriate, but I also do not think the UFC is rising in price whatsoever right now.

 

[lapollarecords]

You are the one that said 2 billion. Laugh at yourself.

I would guess about 800 million right now? Hard to tell without having access to their accounting spreadsheets. It would of course be easy to figure out what they are really making a year with their Balance Sheet/Income Statement/Cash Flows and a few little finance formulas. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, however.

it is quite accepted UFC being worth 2-3 billion.

you already had to resort to the "look at all the big words I know and you probably don't"? that says a lot.

hey, but they want to do PPV right? you know how many PPVs they would have to sell to recover that massive investment? unless your genius plan includes Ronda, Jones and Weidman starting to do +1 million PPV buys per card once Viacom buys them of course.

 

[Bigj383]

I suppose that is possible, but I would say it's massively overpriced. How much did that Arab oil guy pay for his share? I think he has around 20%, doesn't he?

I could see the UFC selling for > 1,000,000,000 right now, but 4 billion? I don't think so Tim. The UFC is making more off TV rights right now than they probably did a few years ago even when ppv sales were higher, so the doom and gloom you see around here may be inappropriate, but I also do not think the UFC is rising in price whatsoever right now.

He owns 10% and he bought that about 4 years ago before the FOX deal which more than trippled UFC's domestic telivision revenue. Before the Globo deal which added another $60,000,000 in annual television revenue. Before Fightpass which has huge success for them. PPV revenue is such a tiny part of UFC's revenue. UFC's value has gone up huge since 2010. Even then he paid about $200,000,000 for that 10%.