Measels back in NYC

[hoonosewot88]

That mixed with an influx of people from 3rd world countries. A steady source of diseases

Precisely, this is why we can't stop the polio vaccine.

Hopefully one day in the not too distant future Polio will be eradicated worldwide for a long enough time for it to be officially extinct, then we can take it out of the general schedule as we did with Smallpox decades ago. That day's not here yet though.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Based on the little I have read over the years concerning vaccination, I would say that these are the four major "red flags" that create suspicion/trepidation about vaccines among certain members of the public:

1. Unlike all other drugs, vaccinations have no dosing recommendations... It is "one size fits all".

2. Unlike all other drugs, there is no individual screening of recipients, no questions about health history, allergies, etc. Again, "one size fits all".

3. Unlike all other drugs, it is impossible for a parent or patient to take a potential vaccine related injury into civil court. Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability. Instead, due to an act of Congress, all cases are heard without jury by the Court of Claims (sometimes called "Vaccine Court").

4. This "Vaccine Court" has awarded some significant damages for some horrendous vaccine-related injuries.

 

[ElKarlo]

Precisely, this is why we can't stop the polio vaccine.

Hopefully one day in the not too distant future Polio will be eradicated worldwide for a long enough time for it to be officially extinct, then we can take it out of the general schedule as we did with Smallpox decades ago. That day's not here yet though.

Yeah, as Pakistan is very much against it. I hope we can eradicate some of these diseases, but there is so much resistance. I just don't know

 

[hoonosewot88]

Based on the little I have read over the years concerning vaccination, I would say that these are the four major "red flags" that create suspicion/trepidation about vaccines among certain members of the public:

1. Unlike all other drugs, vaccinations have no dosing recommendations... It is "one size fits all".

2. Unlike all other drugs, there is no individual screening of recipients, no questions about health history, allergies, etc. Again, "one size fits all".

3. Unlike all other drugs, it is impossible for a parent or patient to take a potential vaccine related injury into civil court. Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability. Instead, due to an act of Congress, all cases are heard without jury by the Court of Claims (sometimes called "Vaccine Court").

4. This "Vaccine Court" has awarded some significant damages for some horrendous vaccine-related injuries.

1. Vaccines don't really require dosing, the amount given is the amount needed to generate the appropriate immunological response in pretty much everyone. People can react slightly differently, which is why antibody levels are checked and boosters offered where necessary. Plus most drugs are given at a standard dose to cause the appropriate response, titrating from patient to patient isn't as common as you might think.

Also, vaccines are given out on a schedule through childhood, so most children receive them at similar ages and are broadly similar in size anyway.

2. Yes there is actually. If for example, someone is allergic to eggs, they won't be given certain vaccines. Same with people who have had previous reaction with that type of vaccine, some people who are immunodeficient, in pregnant women and so on. There are a few factors taken into account before vaccines are given, and any competent doctor will quickly run through them before they give one, but no, you don't need a top to toe examination generally.

3/4. I'm not hugely familiar with the American system or how it came about, but i know of that court and some of the rulings you've mentioned. In the vast majority of those cases no link between the vaccine and the injury was ever scientifically proven.

That said, there are some extremely rare side-effects that vaccines can cause, and people can make claims for those. But before anyone says it, it has been conclusively proven that autism is not one of them.

 

[Poatan Power]

3. Unlike all other drugs, it is impossible for a parent or patient to take a potential vaccine related injury into civil court. Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability. Instead, due to an act of Congress, all cases are heard without jury by the Court of Claims (sometimes called "Vaccine Court").

4. This "Vaccine Court" has awarded some significant damages for some horrendous vaccine-related injuries.

There are so few cases in the vaccine court, though. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd bet you stand a better chance of being killed by a squirrel than get harm from a vaccine.

 

[jackietreehorn8]

Quick anecdote that I found funny...

When we were picking a pediatrician for my first son when he was a baby we went to this little get-to-know you thing, where the doctor was there, and like 3 or 4 other couples that wanted to meet him and possibly choose him as the doctor for their kids. He gave a little spiel about his doctoring style and medical philosophies then everybody got to ask him any questions they had.

One bitch was in the throes of a Jenny McCarthy brainwashing and asked "we don't want to vaccinate our child...as her doctor, would you be ok with this?" He says point blank "no, and as her mother you should be even less ok with it." She started arguing with him about autism and the horrors of mercury and he straight up kicked her out of the room.

I knew he was my kind of doctor after that.

 

[Apple Pie]

3. Unlike all other drugs, it is impossible for a parent or patient to take a potential vaccine related injury into civil court. Vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability. Instead, due to an act of Congress, all cases are heard without jury by the Court of Claims (sometimes called "Vaccine Court").

4. This "Vaccine Court" has awarded some significant damages for some horrendous vaccine-related injuries.

YES

 

[Doughbelly]

If you vaccinate your child and he/she becomes autistic, should you be charged with child abuse?

Also, should we still vaccinate for Polio even though it's been largely eradicated?

Almost eradicated is not the same as completely eradicated. Once polio is completely eradicated, which will almost certainly be within in next 5-10 years, we'll be able to drop polio off the vaccination schedule.

No one expected Measles to reappear.

Yes, we did. Measles outbreaks in western countries were completely predictable.

 

[Doughbelly]

Precisely, this is why we can't stop the polio vaccine.

Hopefully one day in the not too distant future Polio will be eradicated worldwide for a long enough time for it to be officially extinct, then we can take it out of the general schedule as we did with Smallpox decades ago. That day's not here yet though.

If it weren't for conspiracy theorist fear mongering by Muslim clerics in northern Nigeria, we might have been there now. That said, the eradication of polio is proceeding faster than expected.

About five years ago, I was in Nigeria to do fast double mass vaccination campaign due to a simultaneous outbreak of measles and meningitis and ended up sharing a hotel and some resources in and around Birnin Kebbi with the WHO polio guys. I guess there was still a lot of resistance and fatigue amongst the population but from looking at their numbers, they've had quite a bit of success and will presumably have eradicated polio there in the next 3-5 years.

 

[MASShole]

Quick anecdote that I found funny...

When we were picking a pediatrician for my first son when he was a baby we went to this little get-to-know you thing, where the doctor was there, and like 3 or 4 other couples that wanted to meet him and possibly choose him as the doctor for their kids. He gave a little spiel about his doctoring style and medical philosophies then everybody got to ask him any questions they had.

One bitch was in the throes of a Jenny McCarthy brainwashing and asked "we don't want to vaccinate our child...as her doctor, would you be ok with this?" He says point blank "no, and as her mother you should be even less ok with it." She started arguing with him about autism and the horrors of mercury and he straight up kicked her out of the room.

I knew he was my kind of doctor after that.

Brilliant!

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Quick anecdote that I found funny...

When we were picking a pediatrician for my first son when he was a baby we went to this little get-to-know you thing, where the doctor was there, and like 3 or 4 other couples that wanted to meet him and possibly choose him as the doctor for their kids. He gave a little spiel about his doctoring style and medical philosophies then everybody got to ask him any questions they had.

One bitch was in the throes of a Jenny McCarthy brainwashing and asked "we don't want to vaccinate our child...as her doctor, would you be ok with this?" He says point blank "no, and as her mother you should be even less ok with it." She started arguing with him about autism and the horrors of mercury and he straight up kicked her out of the room.

I knew he was my kind of doctor after that.

GOAT doctor imo.

 

[NoSmilez]

I hate my boy's hood wife. I tried to explain to her viruses aren't alive and she just got all crazy on me and screaming about thiomercury