Max Kellerman saying Pacquiao the greatest of this era

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Not sure if this subject has already been talked about and if so I apologize. The other week Max Kellerman said Pacquaio is the greatest of this era and the reason he gave was because Pacquiao had fought in more weight classes.

Not sure about any of you but to me that sounded like an unfair statement. Pacquiao turned pro at the age of 16. You cant do that in America. Mayweather turned pro at 19 but before he turned pro he had an amateur career where he fought as low as 106lbs. In 1996 Floyd fought in the Olympics whilst Pacquiao was fighting unknown Filipinos. Both fighters at the age of 16 were fighting at Flyweight.

Do you think he actually believes this or is he attention seeking by deliberately saying something controversial?
 
I can certainly understand his point and I wouldve made that argument if pacquiao didnt lose to Mayweather. Up until that point Pacquiao had a better resume .
 
I love how lately people are apologising for their posts in the boxing forum to avoid getting verbally obliterated by the old timers here lol.
 
JayMuaythai said:
Do you think he actually believes this or is he attention seeking by deliberately saying something controversial?
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It's not controversial at all. It's just his opinion. People can pick their favorites and choose whoever they want as their "best" fighter. They always have and they always will. Whether other people agree or not doesn't matter at all. Just because he's a commentator doesn't mean he can't have his own opinions and bias.
 
Mayweather is the better boxer, I think that statement can be made relatively objectively. So if he means "great" to mean better, then I think he is probably wrong.

But we don't only measure greatness in wins and losses, or in perceived ability. There are other things that made Pacquaio great, and depending on your definition, greater than Mayweather. He brought passion and excitement to the sport while Mayweather seemed to suck some of it out of the sport at times. He had a rags to riches story that was pretty unique, coming from a non-boxing background in the Asia and working his way up through the sport without the careful guidance that guys like Mayweather get. He also had a whole lot of great fighters to test himself against, ones that are beloved in the sport like Morales and Barrera. All of those things matter and effect how great a fighter is perceived to be.

Pacquiao's record is 58-6-2 and spans from flyweight to junior middleweight. That sounds like a career I want to follow. It's not a perfect career, but it's a great one.
 
In what context did he make the statement?

I guess you could make an argument for both guys, depending on how you look at things.
Personally I would rank Mayweather above Pacman. His resume is equally impressive imo, he has that zero and beat him in a direct matchup (!)

But hey, what do I know...
 
Max's opinion will ruffle some feathers for sure, but it's his opinion. It's not a bad one really and can't be chalked up to "HBO loves Manny/They're so biased/Lampley's commentary!" etc. Pac's done things that will probably never be repeated in our lifetime and is the most exciting fighter of the last 25 years.
 
I don't agree, but it's not ridiculous to say.
 
slimpickenz84 said:
Max's opinion will ruffle some feathers for sure, but it's his opinion. It's not a bad one really and can't be chalked up to "HBO loves Manny/They're so biased/Lampley's commentary!" etc. Pac's done things that will probably never be repeated in our lifetime and is the most exciting fighter of the last 25 years.
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Yeah, you don't see many basketball playing Filipino congressmen.
 
Its close but I think floyd's longevity at the top edges Pac resume overall. Pac may have a couple of more HOFers on his resume when all is said and done but he lost to some of those guys and lost to some total nobodies early on in his career too.

Losses have to mean something. Like I've said before, people like to downplay it but being undefeated at the top for so long is a significant achievement. Boxing is a sport. Losses matter in other sports.
 
Pac holds the record for the most weight devision won world titles at, which is 8. Nobody in the history of boxing has won those in 7 even.
And I doubt we'll see anyone replicate that in the following century in any combat sport.
 
Seano said:
Its close but I think floyd's longevity at the top edges Pac resume overall. Pac may have a couple of more HOFers on his resume when all is said and done but he lost to some of those guys and lost to some total nobodies early on in his career too.

Losses have to mean something. Like I've said before, people like to downplay it but being undefeated at the top for so long is a significant achievement. Boxing is a sport. Losses matter in other sports.
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Don't get me wrong, the record is impressive, I just feel the fights themselves are what is important. How many times did you get an adrenalin rush before a Floyd fight wondering if he was going to lose?
 
StickAndMove said:
Don't get me wrong, the record is impressive, I just feel the fights themselves are what is important. How many times did you get an adrenalin rush before a Floyd fight wondering if he was going to lose?
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Never, his fights were boring and lacked and type of intrigue. Mostly because he was just so far ahead of his competition and was risk averse so his fights lacked drama. Hard to penalize him when he was winning though, that's the goal.
 
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Pac was the best in regards to the funnest to watch . His only boring fight was Mayweather becasue May aonly wanted to hug and PaC WAS HURT.
 
Pac at his peak > May as his peak. Look at the Oscar and Hatton fights as the comparison.
 
Streeter said:
Pac was the best in regards to the funnest to watch . His only boring fight was Mayweather becasue May aonly wanted to hug and PaC WAS HURT.
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Yeah, that Joshua Clottey fight was a barn burner.
 
Sunfish said:
Yeah, that Joshua Clottey fight was a barn burner.
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