time stamp: 5:33
Dana White: ''I just had an interview the other day, where the kid was coming after me saying that I am throwing Nate Diaz to the wolves, if I have him fight Khamzat Chimaev. He wanted to fight Usman!! That's throwing you to the wolves!! Khamzat Chimaev has all these high expectations of what could possibly achieve right? Usman has achieved them. Nate wanted to fight Kamaru Usman, but you don't want to fight Khamzat Chimaev?''
Max Kellerman: ''Well I mean it's always a risk reward thing, right, like the reward you get not just monetarily, but in terms of credit for beating Usman, when Chimaev you are also taking a huge risk''
Then Dana continues to repeating the same sentence after his argument getting destroyed by Kellerman. 
If MMA media had more people like Kellerman, then the things could have been a lot different in terms of arranging the fair fights, the guy knows how to handle Dana White's arguments.
Comparing Usman-Khamzat thing for Nate;
-That's low risk high reward thing with Usman,
-With Khamzat it's high risk and low reward,
Dana White pretends like he doesn't understand this simple thing.
Almost the same with people are ducking Islam, but at the same time wanting to fight Khabib, of course
only after Khabib won the belt.
Nate was also ducking Khabib in the past,
But after
Khabib won the belt, Nate was ok with fighting Khabib and was ok with getting smashed for 5 rounds by Khabib, but not before.
It's related to high risk low reward, of course ducking is ducking still, but when they become champion, everything becomes different, as Kellerman said it's low risk high reward once they get their belt.
