Matt Brown.....a legend? Come on now....

[ticho123]

So all veterans are legends now? Talk about diluting the term. Legends are championship calibre fighters who spent a long time on top guys like Nog, Hendo, Rampage, Machida, Edgar and ofc the GOAT-contenders. Just spending a long time in the UFC doesn't bring that status. Is CB Dollaway a legend too?

 

[wufabufa]

Jeremy-Jitsu was a tool but remember the “Legend” Brown then lost to the “Great” Amir Sodallah...

Man, Amir fizzled out pretty quick.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Bottom tier leg for sure, the smallest wing of the hof plane awaits

 

[LilNicky95]

Man, Amir fizzled out pretty quick.

He did, I think he was talented more with his BJJ game but then thought he was a kickboxer....and he was not.

 

[BForrester]

The term legend is extremely overused in MMA. He's a veteran that's been around for a long time and once had a career resurgence but he's not a legend. Legends are guys like GSP, SIlva, Couture, etc. The only fighters who have never been UFC champion that could have that honor of being regarded as a legend would be someone like Overeem due to the longevity of his career, notable wins, and his K1 and Strikeforce titles.

I largely agree, but I would consider a few other guys "legends" that didn't hold a belt. Sakuraba is a prime example, mostly because of his style, personality, and the fact that he would routinely fight guys 20+ lbs bigger than him.

 

[BForrester]

They do...but like I said in an earlier post, there's levels to it. Not all legends are created equal.

No, there aren't "levels" to it. Legends in a sport are the all-time greats. Not all-time "goods".

In five years, nobody is going to be starting threads about Matt Brown. Guys like Chuck, Rampage, Wanderlei, Fedor, Sakuraba, Crocop, GSP, Silva, Randy, BJ Penn, etc. are still talked about long after their fighting careers were effectively over.

If there are "levels" to it, I would put guys like Frank Mir and Tim Sylvia in the "lower tier" of legend status. They at least held titles and defended them a time or two.

 

[Local Plata]

You are a “nuthugger”.

I don't even like Brown or Sanchez, lmao.

 

[Local Plata]

Which makes him a legit contender. He contended for the title. What more do u have to do to be a contender? Jesus, hard to please?

OP Said legit contender for years ... he lucked out, once, when BJ was fucking murdering the entire division after Sherk cleared out a lot of contenders too. He was at no point a contender for years, he was a happenstance title contender once.

 

[fight_fiend]

I have no problem calling some of these guys that have been doing it for a long time against top competition legends in the sport.

 

[Local Plata]

Lol, what? Do people here seriously don't know what being a contender means?
I think this is enough sherdog for a few weeks.

Legit contender for years? He was nowhere near a title except for once when the division was in the process of being cleared out, lmao. He never even sniffed a title fight at 170 or 185.

 

[bartleby929]

Legit contender for years? He was nowhere near a title except for once when the division was in the process of being cleared out, lmao. He never even sniffed a title fight at 170 or 185.

Legit contender for a fight bonus for years

 

[GoshiShun17]

No, there aren't "levels" to it. Legends in a sport are the all-time greats. Not all-time "goods".

In five years, nobody is going to be starting threads about Matt Brown. Guys like Chuck, Rampage, Wanderlei, Fedor, Sakuraba, Crocop, GSP, Silva, Randy, BJ Penn, etc. are still talked about long after their fighting careers were effectively over.

If there are "levels" to it, I would put guys like Frank Mir and Tim Sylvia in the "lower tier" of legend status. They at least held titles and defended them a time or two.

Allow me to point out the fallacy of your argument. First of all, again you are making your own definition. Legend does not mean all time great. If that is what we were describing we would just say "all time great".

Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir are legends and some of their battles are talked about years after. Another guy who is talked about years later is fucking Brock Lesnar and he certainly is not anymore of an all time great than the aforementioned.

 

[MigitAs]

He is a legend. Some of you guys make your own "elite" definitions for everything. A legend in a sport is just someone who has been at it for a long time and made a decent name for themselves.

Nah, Fuck that. Legend, GOAT, P4P. This shit has been permanently tainted because mafackas use it too fucking freely. Legend applies to fighters like: Fedor, Big Nog, Anderson Silva, GSP, Shogun. Maybe a few others. These guys are legends because we’re going to keep talking about them for a long time after their career is over. Don’t come around calling just anyone a fucking legend because you pc left-wing progressive snowflakes wanna include everyone, save that participation award shit for elementary track-and-field. There are very few legends in EVERY sport, this is what makes them outliers/special athletes. /rant

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

This whole thread is just semantics lol

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Nah, Fuck that. Legend, GOAT, P4P. This shit has been permanently tainted because mafackas use it too fucking freely. Legend applies to fighters like: Fedor, Big Nog, Anderson Silva, GSP, Shogun. Maybe a few others. Don’t come around calling anyone a fucking legend because you pc left-wing progressive snowflakes wanna include everyone, save that participation award shit for elementary track-and-field. There are very few legends in EVERY sport, this is what makes them outliers/special athletes. /rant

Not everything in the world connects to political ideologies

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Reading comprehension much? That's exactly my point you fucking dumbass.

You thought youd written something witty and hilarious, but the fact is that you're such a retard, you stumbled over your own miscomprehension of words and actually just spewed out a pile of incomprehensible garbage as ugly and pathetic as your own day to day worthless life.

 

[MigitAs]

Not everything in the world connects to political ideologies

I actually just threw that in there Willy-Nilly because I thought it fit nicely. I’m Canadian and I vote Green Party every time lol.

 

[Timurd123]

Lol you looked at his record ? Casual
The guy has been one of the most exciting fighters they’ve ever had, of course he’s a legend
Most champions aren’t legends, very few of them are, it’s not only about how good the guy was
Arturo Gatti is a legend in boxing and he is known best for being able to take a ridiculous amount of damage

 

[Local Plata]

You thought youd written something witty and hilarious, but the fact is that you're such a retard, you stumbled over your own miscomprehension of words and actually just spewed out a pile of incomprehensible garbage as ugly and pathetic as your own day to day worthless life.

Here was my first post in the thread.

"Legend" does get thrown around too much, but honestly it kind of makes sense. You have to have some term for people who have been around for a really long time and had some success. To put it into perspective, I just looked it up and Brown has been in the UFC, and only the UFC since 2008 just under 12 years, and in that time he's had 26 fights. Including one good win streak that got him all the way up to fighting elite competition in the division.

I don't know if legend is the right word necessarily, but you gotta call guys like him/diego etc something to differentiate them from the rest.

Here is my second post responding to someone suggesting calling them 'respected veterans' instead of 'legends', suggesting that a 'respected veteran' could cover a huge swath of MMA fighters:

You could say that about a lot of guys. Fight in the ufc, get cut, fight elsewhere, come back on and on and on. These guys fought for a long time, and often, and against "UFC Competition". Mixed results for sure, but both Matt Brown and Diego Sanchez and probably a few others got to the point of actually fighting elite guys too. Respected Veteran isn't quite enough IMO.

Context is a bitch, and you're a dumbass.

 

[Ecstasy]

If you have more than 10 fights in the UFC you're considered a legend

Definitely some weird trend I've noticed.