Marvin Vettori being a top 5 MW for 5 years and got a title shot shows how HORRIFIC that era of MW was when Izzy and Rob were the top dawgs

[ExitLUPin]

Marvin being top 5 for years and getting a title shot shows how garbage that era of MW was. He is not good at anything striking or grappling, mid athlete, one of the worst finishers of all time I think his last one was during the Obama administration. Roman won the 1st fight too should have had it 29-28. Rob beat the piss out of him. Cannonier pushing 40 recorded the most significant strikes landed in a MW fight against him. Roman dominated most of the rematch now. Marvin's last CLEAN win was fucking Paulo Costa in 2021 LMAO.

He just has one of the best chins ever he is tough as shit but that's literally it no power, no speed, no technique.

A Marvin Vettori is a top 15-20 ranked guy AT BEST in any half decent division. Fact that he was top 5 for years shows how HORRENDOUS that era of MW was.

Now we finally have the MW division BACK.

Dricus, Khamzat, Imavov, Caio, Sean, Fluffy, Roman, Brendan, Bo, Pyfer, Kopylov, Robocop, Iron Turtle, Bruno, Aliskerov, Malkoun.

Izzy and Rob were great in their prime and the top 2 by far but their era of MW was dogshit with the talent they competed against. They wouldn't have had near the same success with this crop of MW talent. Izzy already getting rekt left and right don't be surprised if same happens to Rob. There are no more Marvins or Costas to pad their record against.

 

[tritestill]

Brother, it's 2025...you know that? This rant was weird and bizarre. His biggest asset is his toughness and always has been.

Marvin was never a world beater brother and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who ever thought he was.

News flash also, Izzy is older and people have peaks to their career. I know this is insane, but everyone has different primes. You are arguing against no one and reframing common sense as groundbreaking news, like this is a revelation for you.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Brother, it's 2025...you know that? This rant was weird and bizarre. His biggest asset is his toughness and always has been.

Marvin was never a world beater brother and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who ever thought he was.

News flash also, Izzy is older and people have peaks to their career. I know this is insane, but everyone has different primes. You are arguing against no one and reframing common sense as groundbreaking news, like this is a revelation for you.

Its a realization of how bad that era of MW was that just being top and having a great chin was enough for Marvin to be top 5 for years but 2025 Marvin is the same fighter. There is nothing he got worse at his chin is just as iron as ever. MW division just got a lot better compared to the shit it was from 2019-2023

 

[Substance Abuse]

Almost every thread from TS: "I hate fucking everything after the fact, and everyone sucks.", lol.

 

[DrRodentia]

Rob and Izzy would very clearly be successful top dogs in any era.

 

[maximus__]

Marvin being top 5 for years and getting a title shot shows how garbage that era of MW was. He is not good at anything striking or grappling, mid athlete, one of the worst finishers of all time I think his last one was during the Obama administration. Roman won the 1st fight too should have had it 29-28. Rob beat the piss out of him. Cannonier pushing 40 recorded the most significant strikes landed in a MW fight against him. Roman dominated most of the rematch now. Marvin's last CLEAN win was fucking Paulo Costa in 2021 LMAO.

He just has one of the best chins ever he is tough as shit but that's literally it no power, no speed, no technique.

A Marvin Vettori is a top 15-20 ranked guy AT BEST in any half decent division. Fact that he was top 5 for years shows how HORRENDOUS that era of MW was.

Now we finally have the MW division BACK.

Dricus, Khamzat, Imavov, Caio, Sean, Fluffy, Roman, Brendan, Bo, Pyfer, Kopylov, Robocop, Iron Turtle, Bruno, Aliskerov, Malkoun.

Izzy and Rob were great in their prime and the top 2 by far but their era of MW was dogshit with the talent they competed against. They wouldn't have had near the same success with this crop of MW talent. Izzy already getting rekt left and right don't be surprised if same happens to Rob. There are no more Marvins or Costas to pad their record against.

Vettori was on a 5 fight win streak going into his title shot. His best wins in that time were Holland and Hermanson.
Vettori beat Holland one fight removed from his best run in MMA and Hermanson was also ranked pretty high then, though both had lost their last fights.

Vettori got a shot because Izzy was lapping the division and he edged a round of ground control in Izzys second fight.
Vettori then stayed ranked by only fighting 5 x in 4 years. He will be outside the top 10 now where he belongs. He will start dropping fights to up and comers.

Over ranked but he has only fought ranked guys for years now.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Vettori was on a 5 fight win streak going into his title shot. His best wins in that time were Holland and Hermanson.
Vettori beat Holland one fight removed from his best run in MMA and Hermanson was also ranked pretty high then, though both had lost their last fights.

Vettori got a shot because Izzy was lapping the division and he edged a round of ground control in Izzys second fight.
Vettori then stayed ranked by only fighting 5 x in 4 years. He will be outside the top 10 now where he belongs. He will start dropping fights to up and comers.

Over ranked but he has only fought ranked guys for years now.

Holland was never good @ MW. He's always been BULLIED with his toothpick frame. Marvin couldn't even finish him over 5 and was hurt LOL

Look at what real dangerous MWs like Khamzat, Roman, Brendan and Reinier did to Holland @ MW. 1 round pulverizations. Jack was a real good win though but his only one in that streak. MW Holland, Karl Roberson, Andrew Sanchez WW Cezar Ferreira is a horrendous streak.

I'm not saying Marvin's shot was undeserved at the time. It just shows how little talent the top of MW had those years compared to now that he was the best option.

 

[phillystyleswag]

I agree. The division was basically boring from the first time Izzy beat Rob until Pereira became involved. Once Pereira moved up- the next generation of middleweights was finally ready. It went from being one of the worst divisions to being one of the better ones in the last three years or so.

 

[ExitLUPin]

I agree. The division was basically boring from the first time Izzy beat Rob until Pereira became involved. Once Pereira moved up- the next generation of middleweights was finally ready. It went from being one of the worst divisions to being one of the better ones in the last three years or so.

 

[TheCryingElite]

Almost every thread from TS: "I hate fucking everything after the fact, and everyone sucks.", lol.

Oh! Who’s the woman in your AV?
Asking for myself…

 

[Thesnake101]

Marvin is shit for getting his shit pushed in by Cannonier 2 years ago, but Robocop is great despite getting cooked harder by an even older Jared. Makes sense.

Fucking Aliskerov is great too despite being Rob's first finish in years and only crushing two very easy matchups.

Not to mention Brunno, assuming you mean Ferreira, who got subbed by Abus and iced by Ruzi, and fucking Bo Nickal who has been fed careful matchups and could not finish Paul Craig in a striking fight. Those guys are better than Marvin, you are correct.

And then fucking Malkoun and Iron Turtle, love him but come the fuck on, he went to the brink with Muniz and Anders who would be easy matchups for Vettori.

Such a hate boner for Marvin yet you prop up the weirdest fucking guys.

 

[DrRodentia]

Marvin is shit for getting his shit pushed in by Cannonier 2 years ago, but Robocop is great despite getting cooked harder by an even older Jared. Makes sense.

Fucking Aliskerov is great too despite being Rob's first finish in years and only crushing two very easy matchups.

Not to mention Brunno, assuming you mean Ferreira, who got subbed by Abus and iced by Ruzi, and fucking Bo Nickal who has been fed careful matchups and could not finish Paul Craig in a striking fight. Those guys are better than Marvin, you are correct.

And then fucking Malkoun and Iron Turtle, love him but come the fuck on, he went to the brink with Muniz and Anders who would be easy matchups for Vettori.

Such a hate boner for Marvin yet you prop up the weirdest fucking guys.

Didn't you not know that unless you are a multiple time championship defender, you are shit? And sometimes you are still shit even then? Learn how to Sherdog.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Marvin is shit for getting his shit pushed in by Cannonier 2 years ago, but Robocop is great despite getting cooked harder by an even older Jared. Makes sense.

Fucking Aliskerov is great too despite being Rob's first finish in years and only crushing two very easy matchups.

Not to mention Brunno, assuming you mean Ferreira, who got subbed by Abus and iced by Ruzi, and fucking Bo Nickal who has been fed careful matchups and could not finish Paul Craig in a striking fight. Those guys are better than Marvin, you are correct.

And then fucking Malkoun and Iron Turtle, love him but come the fuck on, he went to the brink with Muniz and Anders who would be easy matchups for Vettori.

Such a hate boner for Marvin yet you prop up the weirdest fucking guys.

Umm..... I'm not saying all those guys are great. Just how deep the division it now. Robocop almost finished Cannonier and at least won a round. Marvin beats Malkoun but Iron Turtle? Give me him at dog money against Marvin and I'm going to the bank.

Point is none of those other guys are even ranked despite being legit well rounded MWs.

When Marvin was top 5 the likes of

Uriah Hall
Kevin Holland
Darren Till
Andre Muniz
Brad Tavares

were all RANKED most in top 10.... The division from 2019-2023 was fucking ATROCIOUS. There was a time when people were saying Edmen fucking Shahbazyan was the best MW prospect in the UFC and future contender LMAO. Edmen is still in his prime and the same fighter right now and we see he is not even a top 20 MW. And he was ranked after starching Tavares until Imavov rekt him IIRC.

MW division has rose from the shit ashes of 2019-2023. It's a legit division now one of the best for sure and probably the best above 155.

 

[maximus__]

Holland was never good @ MW. He's always been BULLIED with his toothpick frame. Marvin couldn't even finish him over 5 and was hurt LOL

Look at what real dangerous MWs like Khamzat, Roman, Brendan and Reinier did to Holland @ MW. 1 round pulverizations. Jack was a real good win though but his only one in that streak. MW Holland, Karl Roberson, Andrew Sanchez WW Cezar Ferreira is a horrendous streak.

I'm not saying Marvin's shot was undeserved at the time. It just shows how little talent the top of MW had those years compared to now that he was the best option.

Kevin Holland at that time had just beaten Jacare before being outwrestled against Brunson.He was 9-3 in the division losing only to Brunson, Allen and Thiago Santos. All 3 have been long time ranked fighters.

Interestingly Dolidze is the only person that has beaten Holland that hasn't either fought for or held a major orgs title at some point. That is of course counting Maddelena making it to his fight vs Belal.

Holland isn't losing to scrubs. I don't think he is a great fighter but at that time he was a good win, in a division starving for fresh match ups for the second most dominant champ we have ever seen at MW.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Kevin Holland at that time had just beaten Jacare before being outwrestled against Brunson.He was 9-3 in the division losing only to Brunson, Allen and Thiago Santos. All 3 have been long time ranked fighters.

Interestingly Dolidze is the only person that has beaten Holland that hasn't either fought for or held a major orgs title at some point. That is of course counting Maddelena making it to his fight vs Belal.

Holland isn't losing to scrubs. I don't think he is a great fighter but at that time he was a good win, in a division starving for fresh match ups for the second most dominant champ we have ever seen at MW.

Jacare was 40, unranked and washed. He also had COVID from the first wave IIRC he was the 1st UFC fighter to be diagnosed with it. Point is beating 2020 COVID Jacare means nothing. Muniz snapped his arm with a armbar months later.

Hollands only good win @ MW was a meme 20 second KO against Fluffy who wasn't near the fighter he is now. Markus Perez was also finishing Fluffy back then. His other good win was probably a SD against journeyman GM3.... Who swas robbed of the decision.

MW Holland was simply not that good. And yet he was ranked back then and a win over him got Marvin a title shot.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

HW, LHW and MW have been trash for over 10 years.

 

[Ayreon]

Marvin was moments away from winning the title against Izzy, if only he could lock that RNC....it was so close.

Marvin had his moments but his mistakes due to the lack of fighting IQ put him in his place.

He could win against Izzy
He could win against Cannonier when he rocked him badly, but he went life and death instead, till the fifth round with a life changing beating.
Almost the same thing against Roman yesterday.

Marvin is a good athlete with a strong will and an even stronger chin, but with poor talent.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

No one said Marvin was an all time great. A lot of good but not great guys have gotten title shots. You could rip apart every division the same way.

 

[Ginja_Ninja]

MW has a history of having an active champion. That's how you get some guys like this getting shots.

Were this a division like HW he would never have been close to a shot.

 

[chinarice]

Marvin being top 5 for years and getting a title shot shows how garbage that era of MW was. He is not good at anything striking or grappling, mid athlete, one of the worst finishers of all time I think his last one was during the Obama administration. Roman won the 1st fight too should have had it 29-28. Rob beat the piss out of him. Cannonier pushing 40 recorded the most significant strikes landed in a MW fight against him. Roman dominated most of the rematch now. Marvin's last CLEAN win was fucking Paulo Costa in 2021 LMAO.

He just has one of the best chins ever he is tough as shit but that's literally it no power, no speed, no technique.

A Marvin Vettori is a top 15-20 ranked guy AT BEST in any half decent division. Fact that he was top 5 for years shows how HORRENDOUS that era of MW was.

Now we finally have the MW division BACK.

Dricus, Khamzat, Imavov, Caio, Sean, Fluffy, Roman, Brendan, Bo, Pyfer, Kopylov, Robocop, Iron Turtle, Bruno, Aliskerov, Malkoun.

Izzy and Rob were great in their prime and the top 2 by far but their era of MW was dogshit with the talent they competed against. They wouldn't have had near the same success with this crop of MW talent. Izzy already getting rekt left and right don't be surprised if same happens to Rob. There are no more Marvins or Costas to pad their record against.

Let's see how these guys do once they hit their mid 30s.. maybe they'll lose a bunch and never be that good as well.