Marvel Cinematic Universe - Good guy often fights a clone of himself -- I made a list!!

[Clippy]

I love the MCU - the nearly 20 part movie with great action and characters - it's always a good time, especially as it goes on a builds up and all the characters connect etc etc

But one thing I notice is the hero often has to face a bad guy ... that's just a clone of the good guy

Let me make a list from worst offender to least offender

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1 - the worst offender is sadly the last movie that came out: Black Panther

It's literally Black Panther vs ... Black Panther. Doesn't get much more samey same and evenly matched than that. Oh my frig.

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2 - Incredible Hulk

Yeah it's the Hulk versus ... a biggerer hulk. If you like to drink during movies like I do the bad CGI and fast action can get really confusing when two big green dudes beat the shit out of each other. My Goodness this movie was an abomination. Good news though, I, like most fans, just pretend this movie isn't part of the MCU.

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3 - Captain America Winter Soldier

In this movie we're treated to a super soldier vs a super soldier ... with a metal arm!!! It's ok though cause this movie was awesome.

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4 - Iron Man

We got Iron Man and we got Fat Iron Man. In the end it's two dudes in robot costumes fighting.

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5 - Iron Man II Electric Boogaloo

In this movie we get something very groundbreaking - we get Iron Man vs an Iron Man with laser whips... but don't worry, Iron Man gets help from a fellow Iron Man with a gun on his soldier - also they fight an army of robot iron men in this movie. Iron Man 3 is a breath of fresh air by comparison.

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6 - Captain America the first Avenger

It's a super solider vs a super soldier with a removable face and creepy red skull head.

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7 - Doctor Strange

Dr. Strange, a sorcerer - dresses in fancy clothes to fight Kacilisisususu whatever the fuck. Another sorcerer with eye shadow on.

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8 - Ant Man

Ant Man vs Ant Man ... but bad Ant Man has laser arm thingys. As a bonus this movie has basically the same plot of Iron Man, but tiny.

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9 - Age of Ultrons

I'm singling out Iron Man in this one, cause it feels like Iron Man vs another Iron Man .. but with a robot inside. Ultron and Iron Man also go toe to toe in quips!!!

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10 - Thor Ragnarock

You basically got two Assguardian sibling Gods duking it out.

You could give 11 to Thor

except Loki isn't technically an Ass guardian or even his real sibling



------- the rest which finally break this pattern mostly.

> Avengers 1 - Loki is the badguy. Basically a rehash of Thor but this time Loki brought an army and Thor brought a Hulk

> Thor dark days - Thor vers an elf man

> Spiderman vs Vulcher - those characters are quite different

And then the Guardian of the Galaxy friends

In the first one it's a bunch of aliens vs ... an alien with purple jewlery

But in GOTG2 we get to see the guardians fight A FUCKING PLANET!! Kudos to that movie, it was great.

And say what you will about Iron Man 3 but at least he wasn't fighting another iron man, he fought a fire breathing man! It was great! So refreshing to see an Iron Man movie without Iron man clones in it!!

.....oh

 

[Loiosh]

Yep.

There have been articles on this subject for decades in multiple genres.

 

[Clippy]

Yep.

There have been articles on this subject for decades in multiple genres.

Well I only care about the MCU movies and screw everyone else's listed I worked hard on this

 

[Islam Imamate]

Never thought about it that way but good point, just more reason to dismiss this creatively bankrupt franchise.

To be fair though I did like Whiplash in Iron Man 2, basically the only good thing about that movie.

 

[Clippy]

Never thought about it that way but good point, just more reason to dismiss this creatively bankrupt franchise.

To be fair though I did like Whiplash in Iron Man 2, basically the only good thing about that movie.

Most of these movies are great despite this reoccurring theme.

I find the last few movies have been improving their badguys. Ego the living planet was awesome! Killomonger was an interesting badguy actually - but the end fight scene wasn't very good to me.

Thanos is coming out next week and he's not like ANY of our heroes.

 

[fallable]

If you like to drink during movies like I do the bad CGI and fast action can get really confusing when two big green dudes beat the shit out of each other.

^^^This part made lol.

Other than that I haven't seen enough of these movies or read enough of the comics to have a meaningful opinion. I guess I can say it follows the greater trend in pop culture and entertainment where everything is derivative and unoriginal. In comic book movies you get clones whereas in the general entertainment world you get remakes.

 

[moreorless87]

It tends to be a product of Marvel films veing very focused on the protagonist I would say, not only is a mirror of the protagonist easier to setup they also potentially play into their story.

Nolan's Batman films for example focus more on Batman than the previous ones and they tend to have the same mirror effect, albeit less so in terms of apperance, The Gul's and Bane are mirror images of Batman believing they need to knock down the existing order to progress rather than save it, the Joker is a mirror of Batman with exactly the opposite philsopical viewpoint.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Their bad guys are too generic for me.
Bad guy wants revenge for the thing, blames good guy, will destroy everything in his path

 

[Clippy]

Their bad guys are too generic for me.
Bad guy wants revenge for the thing, blames good guy, will destroy everything in his path

Have you seen Justice league?

 

[Fluffernutter]

IW may follow the pattern:

The Black Order -

Cull Obsidian = Hulk
Ebony Maw = Dr. Strange
Covus Glaive = Captain America
Proxima Midnight = Scarlet Witch


Thanos = Nick Fury (who brought them together)

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Have you seen Justice league?

Meh.
The best Marvel villains are sinister and intellectual and looking for personal gain, like being rich or stealing pies from windowsills

 

[Clippy]

Meh.
The best Marvel villains are sinister and intellectual and looking for personal gain, like being rich or stealing pies from windowsills

Have you seen Batman vs Superman

 

[KnightTemplar]

I love the MCU - the nearly 20 part movie with great action and characters - it's always a good time, especially as it goes on a builds up and all the characters connect etc etc

But one thing I notice is the hero often has to face a bad guy ... that's just a clone of the good guy

Let me make a list from worst offender to least offender

----

1 - the worst offender is sadly the last movie that came out: Black Panther

It's literally Black Panther vs ... Black Panther. Doesn't get much more samey same and evenly matched than that. Oh my frig.

-----------

2 - Incredible Hulk

Yeah it's the Hulk versus ... a biggerer hulk. If you like to drink during movies like I do the bad CGI and fast action can get really confusing when two big green dudes beat the shit out of each other. My Goodness this movie was an abomination. Good news though, I, like most fans, just pretend this movie isn't part of the MCU.

-------------------

3 - Captain America Winter Soldier

In this movie we're treated to a super soldier vs a super soldier ... with a metal arm!!! It's ok though cause this movie was awesome.

----------------

4 - Iron Man

We got Iron Man and we got Fat Iron Man. In the end it's two dudes in robot costumes fighting.

---------------------------

5 - Iron Man II Electric Boogaloo

In this movie we get something very groundbreaking - we get Iron Man vs an Iron Man with laser whips... but don't worry, Iron Man gets help from a fellow Iron Man with a gun on his soldier - also they fight an army of robot iron men in this movie. Iron Man 3 is a breath of fresh air by comparison.

--------------

6 - Captain America the first Avenger

It's a super solider vs a super soldier with a removable face and creepy red skull head.

--------------------

7 - Doctor Strange

Dr. Strange, a sorcerer - dresses in fancy clothes to fight Kacilisisususu whatever the fuck. Another sorcerer with eye shadow on.

---------------------

8 - Ant Man

Ant Man vs Ant Man ... but bad Ant Man has laser arm thingys. As a bonus this movie has basically the same plot of Iron Man, but tiny.

----------------------

9 - Age of Ultrons

I'm singling out Iron Man in this one, cause it feels like Iron Man vs another Iron Man .. but with a robot inside. Ultron and Iron Man also go toe to toe in quips!!!

-------------------------------

10 - Thor Ragnarock

You basically got two Assguardian sibling Gods duking it out.

You could give 11 to Thor

except Loki isn't technically an Ass guardian or even his real sibling



------- the rest which finally break this pattern mostly.

> Avengers 1 - Loki is the badguy. Basically a rehash of Thor but this time Loki brought an army and Thor brought a Hulk

> Thor dark days - Thor vers an elf man

> Spiderman vs Vulcher - those characters are quite different

And then the Guardian of the Galaxy friends

In the first one it's a bunch of aliens vs ... an alien with purple jewlery

But in GOTG2 we get to see the guardians fight A FUCKING PLANET!! Kudos to that movie, it was great.

And say what you will about Iron Man 3 but at least he wasn't fighting another iron man, he fought a fire breathing man! It was great! So refreshing to see an Iron Man movie without Iron man clones in it!!

.....oh

Hot Thread. Would Bang/Wife

 

[AronaBeatsJones]

This happens in like every superhero story, though...

... (Including mine)

 

[KnightTemplar]

Have you seen Justice league?

 

[blaseblah]

You started out good but the last several ones are reaching. An AI with hundreds of clones of itself isn't the same as Iron Man. Asgardian v. Asgardian is like saying human v. human. Way too broad.

 

[Clippy]

You started out good but the last several ones are reaching.

I didn't have to reach very far

 

[blaseblah]

I didn't have to reach very far

An AI with hundreds of clones of itself isn't the same as Iron Man. Asgardian v. Asgardian is like saying human v. human. Way too broad. Reaching hard with those ones.

 

[HomeRun916]

Cool list.

 

[Clippy]

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