Mark Kerr vs King Mo, what happened?

Paolo Delutis said:
He was trying to get ready to roll or lift MO up by bucking but he got smoked in the process...

Nobody eats shots like that when throwing a fight lol ...

If he didnt get his head filled in after turtling/attempting a roll id be with u...the replay clearly shows he gets pummeled
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He looked already dead before any punches tho. Time stamped.

 
Everyone on here is raising some good points but they neglect one. Kerr was never really a fighter. He fought for a living, but he was not a fighter. When he was young and able to dominate due to his skillset, which he was miles above most at the time, he was the best. However, once he tasted defeat, it separated him from people who grew up as a fighter, like his friend Mark Coleman. I love Kerr, he is one of my favorites and as a wrestler I emulated him to a degree, but by his own admission his heart was not in the sport. Kerr is a good example of why some people can have limited success in MMA while being a monster in collegiate wrestling. Kevin Jackson and Brock Lesnar are two other examples of when you win it is awesome. When you lose, and you are getting punched in the face a lot, it is no longer the competition, but the paycheck. Granted you could make the case that Kerr and Brock made it to the pinnacle, but it was against competition that was considerably inferior to their skills, but changed rapidly with increased competition. There is a difference between wrestling and MMA, and when you lose in MMA, it is sometimes the only way you notice it.
I hope that is cogent.
@Nathan LaMontagne and @fightiq might be able to explain it better,
 
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JustOnce said:
He looked already dead before any punches tho. Time stamped.

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I think he tried to grab Mo's arm and tuck and roll but missed the arm completely cuz hes totally shot at this point and gets pummeled for his trouble...

He had no reason to be there ..so even if it wasnt a fixed fight ..it was clearly not a competitive one in the slightest and MO didnt benefit a whole lot from it....
 
Paolo Delutis said:
I think he tried to grab Mo's arm and tuck and roll but missed the arm completely cuz hes totally shot at this point and gets pummeled for his trouble...

He had no reason to be there ..so even if it wasnt a fixed fight ..it was clearly not a competitive one in the slightest and MO didnt benefit a whole lot from it....
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I try to see what you are saying.

But if you look at 6:04-6:06, there's absolutely ZERO attempt to roll. His hands go up near his chin, down to his chest and he goes forward and down.

There's ZERO attempt to grab anything.
 
JustOnce said:
I try to see what you are saying.

But if you look at 6:04-6:06, there's absolutely ZERO attempt to roll. His hands go up near his chin, down to his chest and he goes forward and down.

There's ZERO attempt to grab anything.
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After watching ur latest time stamp...i concur he wasn't trying to roll ..he was actually trying to stop a back take ..he thought Mo was gunna jump on his back and set hooks in so he was tucking his elbows to block the heels from coming in...a common move in BJJ ..Kerr had a strong addc background and would be familiar with this move ...the mistake being Mo wasnt going for that an absolute smashed the smashing machine
 
Looks to me like he hurt his hand/wrist bracing the fall, winced in pain which opened him up to GNP.
 
Dr. Rose said:
Everyone on here is raising some good points but they neglect one. Kerr was never really a fighter. He fought for a living, but he was not a fighter. When he was young and able to dominate due to his skillset, which he was miles above most at the time, he was the best. However, once he tasted defeat, it separated him from people who grew up as a fighter, like his friend Mark Coleman. I love Kerr, he is one of my favorites and as a wrestler I emulated him to a degree, but by his own admission his heart was not in the sport. Kerr is a good example of why some people can have limited success in MMA while being a monster in collegiate wrestling. Kevin Jackson and Brock Lesnar are two other examples of when you win it is awesome. When you lose, and you are getting punched in the face a lot, it is no longer the competition, but the paycheck. Granted you could make the case that Kerr and Brock made it to the pinnacle, but it was against competition that was considerably inferior to their skills, but changed rapidly with increased competition. There is a difference between wrestling and MMA, and when you lose in MMA, it is sometimes the only way you notice it.
I hope that is cogent.
@Nathan LaMontagne and @fightiq might be able to explain it better,
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First off, thank you for thinking of me, I'm flattered.

I have some specific opinions on Kerr specifically.

He wasn't just more skilled, of course he was stronger, but it was his speed that was just ridiculous for someone his size.
Another boon to his success was, He was very clearly an intelligent guy

I do completely agree that Kerr wasn't a "fighter" in mindset.

It's something he was great at and could make a living doing. It was more something that he fell into.


I think the biggest downfall of Marks Career, outside of the obvious crippling opiate addiction and turbulent home life...
I may be wrong but I think in a lot of ways Kerr was a very sensitive person.
The opening scene of the smashing machine I feel you can hear it in his voice when he's talking about gauging someone's cut, he sounds almost like he feels guilt and some pain for saying that is what it takes to do this sport (especially then)

I personally think that effected him a lot, the pressure and nerves (something that's been an awful problem for myself in competing)

He told the story on how he couldn't keep the tiniest amount of water down without heaving.

You mix that with withdrawal symptoms and rehab and a very troubled relationship... That's ones thing.

You add the fight against Fujita to that (and Igor v Kerr 1 to a lesser degree)

He got physically hurt bad, but I think the mental and emotional toll outweighs it by a lot. I luckily never lost in MMA so I can't even fully empathize with it. But even losing meaningless Judo matches I felt absolutely devastated and felt like dying. That's how bad it gets for some people. And keep in mind that is over referees calling it. I didn't get pummeled and bloodied.

I think the thing that points to it is he did recover from the Igor fight and went on to look great. It was ruled a no contest which I think gives that excuse that you aren't limited, they just broke the rules.

Whereas the Fujita fight... A complete beating after trying your best for your body just to give out and scream for oxygen.

I actually liken Kerr to GSP in mentality, Kerr very much could have changed his style to a safer, more consistent style.
Both clearly smart guys that have noticable vulnerabilities. The extra turmoil in Kerrs life is where it seperates the two.

TL;DR if anyone hasnt... watch the smashing machine. Still the best media in all of MMA
 
Paolo Delutis said:
After watching ur latest time stamp...i concur he wasn't trying to roll ..he was actually trying to stop a back take ..he thought Mo was gunna jump on his back and set hooks in so he was tucking his elbows to block the heels from coming in...a common move in BJJ ..Kerr had a strong addc background and would be familiar with this move ...the mistake being Mo wasnt going for that an absolute smashed the smashing machine
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I can see what you are saying, but Mo's legs were really far away and Kerr would've known better, like you said from adcc and all. And if you look at Kerr's base, it just collapses, why so if he was really defending the backtake while falling on his face? I'm sure it could be many other things, but I don't think defending backtake is one of them. If you look at
5:48, that's not a man defending back take.

And 5:49 he's on the ground face first, no base, before even being hit once.
 
I think he was just turtling and got blasted half a second later, at which point he was basically out.
 
As others have pointed out, Kerr shouldn’t have been there that night and everyone knew it.

King Mo…I thought he’d have a better career. He really embraced the slickster style of boxing, yet didn’t have the cardio, defense or chin to make it happen. Outwrestling people on the regional scene was pretty easy for Mo, but when he faced guys with tenacity and a decent skill set — fighters who would push the fight and not give up — he faltered quite a bit. So, in a way, he was not unlike Kerr. Fun fights though.
 
SalvadorAllende said:
King Mo was always underrated. He was shot at the end of his career and had a lot of injuries but in his prime he was legit as they come.

Kerr was completely shopworn at that point.
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To bad we never saw King Mo in ufc but i Guess he had a reason for that.
 
The only thing I would hypothesize is that he fucked up his wrist when he posted on the landing and writhed in pain into a vulnerable position.

But yeah I needed many rewinds just to make this assumption. It's a really bizarre sequence that lasts a second.
 
I don't see anything unusual. You are a noob. It's just a broken fighter getting pummeled. That ref is an diot, very late stoppage. Why would they fix this fight, it's not a dangerous match up for a prime Mo. Kerr looked unatheltic.
 
Kerr hated fighting when he was juiced, on heroin and at the top.

Remove the Juice, herion and top status ... Imagine how much he hated it. He wanted out of there pretty much the moment he was hit. Might look fishy, but to most it was just sad
 
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Mark Kerr was the type of jobber he used to squash by this point. Part of the reason he used to bulk up so ridiculously is to soothe his anxiety. And even then he still needed to medicate his anxiety about fighting. I think he probably was happy to get it over with at that point.

Either way, i'm happy for Yoshihisa Yamamoto to achieve a victory by DDT over him. Yamamoto always seemed underrated, so i'm glad he got a win over Kerr on his record.
 
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