Mark Henry strikes again

[ArtOfDrowning]

So many times already we see Mark Herny's fighters make same mistakes over and over again in the striking department.

In Edgar's fight against Aldo and Ortega, Eddie vs Conor and others you can see a clear pattern. If Mark Henry's fighters don't have the same reach, they have to get into the reach, they start throwing combos from aaaaaway outside. And not only that but they keep on throwing the same thing over and over and over again to the point where their opponents can just counter them to death. This is because Henry wants volume no matter what. And also no head movement. All of them coming in a straight line, zero head movement.

Edgar did that against Aldo for 10 rounds and Aldo countered him no problem. Especially in their second fight, Edgar was throwing same combos over and over.

Eddie vs Conor was the same story. Henry wants his fighters to throw volume without thinking how to get into the reach so Eddie started his combos 2 meters away from Conor, giving him time to counter. Henry thinks that flury is the way to do it instead of footwork.

And lastly, Edgar doing the same thing with Ortega. Closing the distance by throwing combo with his chin up in the air, rushing in and then stopping in the middle of that rush because Orgeta is already circling out and finally getting countered with that sick elbow.

 

[RudimarChute]

Mark Henry and Greg Jackson’s camps seem to be having similar issues. They should bring in some new blood.

 

[ComradeFedor]

 

[executionermma]

Mark Henry, Mike Winkeljohn and Duke Roufos are very overrated trainers. Sometimes feels like their guys always reach a certain spot with their striking and stop evolving, and then they lose, due to stagnating for too long.

 

[DetachedOrchid]

Too many yes men around. It takes pretty bad striking defense for someone to land a standing elbow on you.

 

[loyalyolayal]

 

[Echo_Bliss]

Henry, Jackson-Wink, Edmund, and Rufus are all having stagnation issues where they're training fighters into one dimensionality. I think fighters need to hop gyms a bit more often to get in there sparring with new guys and new techniques. I assume they don't because they get some perks for themselves and some buddies such as free memberships and the right to kick anyone off equipment at any time. Maybe the gyms even pay them to remain at the gym. Gyms are a big business and that much isn't changing.

 

[Large Hound 77]

Henry, Jackson-Wink, Edmund, and Rufus are all having stagnation issues where they're training fighters into one dimensionality. I think fighters need to hop gyms a bit more often to get in there sparring with new guys and new techniques. I assume they don't because they get some perks for themselves and some buddies such as free memberships and the right to kick anyone off equipment at any time. Maybe the gyms even pay them to remain at the gym. Gyms are a big business and that much isn't changing.

Edmund.... ha ha

 

[Buffmeister]

I am kinda seeing the same as ts said..

I hope Zabit doesn't fall into those same patterns...

 

[jeffb36]

So many times already we see Mark Herny's fighters make same mistakes over and over again in the striking department.

In Edgar's fight against Aldo and Ortega, Eddie vs Conor and others you can see a clear pattern. If Mark Henry's fighters don't have the same reach, they have to get into the reach, they start throwing combos from aaaaaway outside. And not only that but they keep on throwing the same thing over and over and over again to the point where their opponents can just counter them to death. This is because Henry wants volume no matter what. And also no head movement. All of them coming in a straight line, zero head movement.

Edgar did that against Aldo for 10 rounds and Aldo countered him no problem. Especially in their second fight, Edgar was throwing same combos over and over.

Eddie vs Conor was the same story. Henry wants his fighters to throw volume without thinking how to get into the reach so Eddie started his combos 2 meters away from Conor, giving him time to counter. Henry thinks that flury is the way to do it instead of footwork.

And lastly, Edgar doing the same thing with Ortega. Closing the distance by throwing combo with his chin up in the air, rushing in and then stopping in the middle of that rush because Orgeta is already circling out and finally getting countered with that sick elbow.

Great, objective analysis. Are you SURE you are a Sherdogger???

 

[Leone510]

Your blaming the coach? Ok Explain what he is doing to cause this since you threw him under the bus. Where is the proof it is Mark Henry since you have spent so much time in his gym?

 

[JayJayFrench]

Your blaming the coach? Ok Explain what he is doing to cause this since you threw him under the bus. Where is the proof it is Mark Henry since you have spent so much time in his gym?

You new to Sherdog? No proof required. As long as someone says something, it's fact. I happen to agree with TS myself, though.

 

[ArtOfDrowning]

Your blaming the coach? Ok Explain what he is doing to cause this since you threw him under the bus. Where is the proof it is Mark Henry since you have spent so much time in his gym?

Because he is their coach and you can see the pattern in his fighters. Same with TriStar, Jackson-Wink and other camps where coaches pass on their view of fighting on their fighters. And Mark Henry himself said many times that he is making his fighters throw insane volume on purpose. It is not totally his fault but he is definitely making same mistakes over and over again, possibly limiting some of his fighters who could be much better if they trained elsewhere.

 

[LilChuckLil]

Mark Henry, Mike Winkeljohn and Duke Roufos are very overrated trainers. Sometimes feels like their guys always reach a certain spot with their striking and stop evolving, and then they lose, due to stagnating for too long.

Overrated? They've all had World champions?

 

[fortheo]

Henry has several top ten fighters, so he's doing a lot correct, but I do agree with the specific point you're making in this thread. Frankie in particular always comes in on a straight line, and the fighters who truly beat frankie without a doubt, are the fighters who took advantage of that pattern.

You're wrong about no head movement though.




Basically I agree that he only comes in on a straight line, but he does use head movement and feints on his way in. He definitely needs more entries. The way he exits the pocket is great, though.

 

[spannered]

You use Frankie and Alves as examples, but conveniently they are short fighters with fuck all reach. You're complaining that they are striking their way into the pocket, but what are you supposed to do? Waltz in without offence? That's a good way to get countered.

Frankie has had a huge reach disadvantage his whole career, and coming up short against Aldo (ya know, one the GOAT at FW) is no knock on his approach. He should be at BW where his size disadvantage won't be so much of an issue.

I don't think anyone pretends Alves is a meticulously technical striker either, and he got mowed down by McGregor, which isn't exactly unusual.

You can rag on any coach when their fighters lose, because naturally all fighters lose at some point. His fighters have consistently sat in the top 5, so he's doing something right.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

According the Chael, Frankie's error was staying in the pocket as opposed to immediately exiting. Frankie is usually in and out, and he does that quite well. He lingered this time and paid for it dearly. TS obviously knows more about striking than Chael and was able to identify Frankie's mistake where Chael couldn't.

 

[BoD 2.0]

Great point about them starting their combos from out of range. Frankie has a very bad habit of that and it is exactly how Aldo and Ortega beat him.

 

[BoD 2.0]

You use Frankie and Alves as examples, but conveniently they are short fighters with fuck all reach. You're complaining that they are striking their way into the pocket, but what are you supposed to do? Waltz in without offence? That's a good way to get countered.

Frankie has had a huge reach disadvantage his whole career, and coming up short against Aldo (ya know, one the GOAT at FW) is no knock on his approach. He should be at BW where his size disadvantage won't be so much of an issue.

I don't think anyone pretends Alves is a meticulously technical striker either, and he got mowed down by McGregor, which isn't exactly unusual.

You can rag on any coach when their fighters lose, because naturally all fighters lose at some point. His fighters have consistently sat in the top 5, so he's doing something right.

You get in with head movement, feints, angles and footwork. Tyson and Pacman were basically shorter than the majority of their opponents and neither would start combinations from out of range, and move in while throwing them.

 

[vadrigar]