Media Mario Bautista explains why Jose Aldo also to blame for lackluster UFC 307 fight

If they allow this teen of holding people against the cage to win to continue soon the best base for mma will be sumo wrestling
 
digitalia** said:
he shouldn't profit by doing nothing, just holding on someone is literally doing nothing
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If his opponent's response is doing even less, and if the ref lets it continue, the onus is not on him.
 
TCE said:
“If we’re actually talking about Aldo, he almost did a similar thing against Chito. He started losing that first round, and then he takes Chito down and stays on his back for the whole second round and the whole third round, and no one gave crap to Aldo about it. Even me, I’m not going to give crap to Aldo. It’s more on Chito. 'Oh, Chito can’t get this guy off his back.’ So that’s the thing: It’s just like a little double standard for some of these Hall of Famers and fan favorites.”
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Aldo is credited with 4:53 control time in round 3, with 2 attempted significant strikes
 
He's just saying what most people are thinking. Merab did the same thing, now he's champ. Volk did the same thing, then became champ. Baldo himself stalled out a victory vs Cheetos Rivera, but no one gave him a hard time about it.

Now feed Bautista to Cody.
 
theincognito said:
As it turns out, octagon control isn't even supposed to count at all unless:

Effective striking/grappling is dead even. (It wasn't - Bautista's face wore damage.)

AND effective aggressiveness is dead even. (It wasn't - Bautista did the exact opposite of what the rules say effective aggressiveness is.)

Judges literally go against the actual rules of the sport in these situations, yet never get fired and probably don't even get questioned, thus it never improves.
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Yeah, octagon control and effective aggressive are supposed to be tie breakers when the primary criteria effective striking/grappling are even which is rare. Bautista only won round 1, round 2 he got busted up, round 3 he also lost the striking. According to the judging criteria holding someone against the cage doesn't count as effective grappling, it has to be takedowns, improving position when on top on the ground or submission attempts.
 
Blastbeat said:
see, Mario, the difference is - when Aldo had Chito's back, he was in position to lock up a RNC if he wanted at any time. there is a legitimate submission threat when someone's back is taken. because of that, refs wont separate fighters when this happens.

there is no threat of submission when you are holding someone against a wall in the fashion he was doing. the only threat you have to watch for is being taken down. Aldo couldve pivoted out over and over, but he was the one who actually wanted to fight, not Mario. holding your opponent does not take precedence over damage when it comes to scoring. Mario is lucky the judges were crap that night.

dude just should say "yeah sorry it was a shit fight, i did what i had to in order to win. i plan on coming back even better" and leave it at that. anything else Mario says will just be used against him. guy is gonna get booed for a long time.

(i imagine this is what Mario is thinking in his head)
"theyre not booing me! theyre saying Bootista! Bootista!"
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Yeah comparing Aldo successfully getting a takedown and having Chito's back to holding someone against the cage and landing shoulder bumps is ridiculous. One is effective grappling with the threat of a fininsh and the other is octagon control at best.
 
fortheo said:
Having somebodies back is one of the most dominant positions in grappling. I can't believe he compared Aldo having Chito's back to what he did on the wall.
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Yeah comparing Aldo successfully getting a takedown and having Chito's back to holding someone against the cage and landing shoulder bumps is ridiculous. One is effective grappling with the threat of a fininsh and the other is octagon control at best.
 
Translation: "I chose the smoothest, lowest risk path to victory, which also happened to be the least exciting path. The current scoring is there to be exploited and it's up to him to stop me". (I didn't like it but it's hard to argue with that).
I think they need to be very strict on what is wall and stall and what is working. Fights like these have me asking for yellow cards. Or maybe "yellow time" where stall seconds are added back to the clock.
 
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It’s simple count wall n stalling as good defense for the one being held against the cage like take down defense is credited. These exploitive style fighters like Bautista and Merab will become irrelevant fast
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
Yeah comparing Aldo successfully getting a takedown and having Chito's back to holding someone against the cage and landing shoulder bumps is ridiculous. One is effective grappling with the threat of a fininsh and the other is octagon control at best.
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"Effective Aggressiveness is only to be assessed if Effective Striking/Grappling is 100% equal.

Fighting Area Control shall only to be assessed if Effective Striking/Grappling AND Effective Aggressiveness is 100% equal."

In short, control is only supposed to be a factor as an absolute last resort and should only happen once in a blue moon as the other two criteria are almost never both 100% equal.

99.9% of decision winners would literally be obvious facts instead of opinions if the judges actually followed the rules.
 
I’d argue it was entirely Aldo’s fault, hope he never fights again.
 
theincognito said:
"Effective Aggressiveness is only to be assessed if Effective Striking/Grappling is 100% equal.

Fighting Area Control shall only to be assessed if Effective Striking/Grappling AND Effective Aggressiveness is 100% equal."

In short, control is only supposed to be a factor as an absolute last resort and should only happen once in a blue moon as the other two criteria are almost never both 100% equal.

99.9% of decision winners would literally be obvious facts instead of opinions if the judges actually followed the rules.
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Yeah, there needs to be more oversight on bad judging. Like the judges that scored round 2 or 3 for Bautista should have to rewatch the fight and explain why they gave him either round and then be suspended until they are re-trained.
 
TCE said:
Bautista was accused of stalling when he couldn’t get Aldo (32-9 MMA, 14-8 UFC) down, but the 31-year-old rising contender said UFC bantamweight champion Merab Dvalishvili did the same thing when he fought Aldo. Dvalishvili went 0-16 in his takedown attempts vs. Aldo but won the fight by unanimous decision.

“Merab did the same thing. He probably held him against the cage longer than I did, and now look at him. He’s the champ,” Bautista told MMA Junkie Radio. “If we’re actually talking about Aldo, he almost did a similar thing against ‘Chito’ (Vera).

“He started losing that first round, and then he takes ‘Chito’ down and stays on his back for the whole second round and the whole third round, and no one gave crap to Aldo about it. Even me, I’m not going to give crap to Aldo. It’s more on ‘Chito.’ Oh, ‘Chito’ can’t get this guy off his back.’ So that’s the thing: It’s just like a little double standard for some of these Hall of Famers and fan favorites.”

Bautista said he was surprised that Aldo never tried to break free when he had his back stacked against the cage. He thinks it’s on him to get busy, too.

“I just wanted him to keep on working,” Bautista explained. “I just wanted him to break out of the clinch, use that energy to get out, and then just kind of stay stuck to him. Just keep him working, working. I just didn’t really think he was going to, I don’t know, I guess just stay on the wall?

“I thought he was going to get out because that takes up some energy. There are points where I felt – yeah, he was defending the takedown, and maybe he could have circled off, but he just kind of chose to stay there and kind of wait a little bit. Yeah, I was holding him against the cage, but at the same time, I think he did have opportunities to circle off. It’s just he chose not to.”

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Mario Bautista explains why Jose Aldo also to blame for lackluster UFC 307 fight

Mario Bautista believes he shouldn't be blamed entirely for his lackluster win over Jose Aldo at UFC 307. Bautista (15-2 MMA, 9-2 UFC) defeated Aldo by split decision in Saturday's main card at Salt Lake City – a performance that was heavily criticized
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My thoughts? This guy did not come to fight that night.
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Oh, he did it too....yeah and Merab got hate for it.
Bautista will gain even less fans with this excuse bullshit than he did from that dog shit performance.

Im so tired of the excuses with these guys.
They'd be better off shutting up and killing the next guy.
 
Merab Round 3 Total Strikes vs Aldo: 52-13

Bautista Round 3 Total Strikes vs Aldo: 19-20

Merab quadrupled Aldo’s strikes, Bautista got outlanded

The merab fight wasn’t a barn burner either but atleast Merab actually won
 
Pharenheit said:
It’s simple count wall n stalling as good defense for the one being held against the cage like take down defense is credited. These exploitive style fighters like Bautista and Merab will become irrelevant fast
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No need, the judges just need to use the judging criteria correctly. Bautista shouldn't have won via octagon control when he was out struck and didn't have any effective grappling.
 
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