Crime Man with Palestinian flag wounds 31 in Germany

I think the problem is that if someone is at war with my people and blowing up my family and friends and someone else is providing that person with the weapons to do that then I'm going to be pissed off at them too.

Not justifying any attack on innocents, but I sort of get the logic behind wanting to hurt the countries supplying the tools that are destroying yours.

It makes a little sort of sense until you consider the people being attacked have nothing to do with the decision making. If he was trying storm a govt building I wouldn't agree but would be more understanding of his actions but sadly it's almost always random citizens paying the price for govt polices like immigration failures etc
 
It makes a little sort of sense until you consider the people being attacked have nothing to do with the decision making. If he was trying storm a govt building I wouldn't agree but would be more understanding of his actions but sadly it's almost always random citizens paying the price for govt polices like immigration failures etc

I totally agree that citizens are the wrong target, but I guess if you're seeing citizens die in your own country then desire for revenge when you have no realistic chance of revenge against the actual perpetrator could end up going somewhere else.

I've never had a situation where I've had a desire for revenge for something as bad as having family members killed so I can't say really. Maybe logic goes out of the window.
 
Is it? people seem fine to call this guy a terrorist(rather than just someone mentally ill going on the rampage) driven by politics and German support of Israel seems like by far the most obvious motivator given that he was carrying a Palestinian flag.

Again that's no justification for his monstrous actions but the reality is that the actions of the German state in backing Israeli actions did likely play a significant factor in causing this to happen.

Basically pointing out that not only is Germanys strong backing of Israeli ethnic cleansing highly immoral but its also putting innocent German citizens at greater risk of terror attacks.

Tons of terrorist attacks have nothing to do with the israel/palestein shit if not for that someone else would find another reason to kill innocents. The person might be different but it keeps happening.

I'm really just frustrated that people like this are imported and allowed to stay despite almost always "being known" to police. It's a total failure of policies.

As for israel/palestein I would be happy to stay out it as both sides are shit but I also see why Germany supports Israel because of their holocaust guilt complex
 
I totally agree that citizens are the wrong target, but I guess if you're seeing citizens die in your own country then desire for revenge when you have no realistic chance of revenge against the actual perpetrator could end up going somewhere else.

I've never had a situation where I've had a desire for revenge for something as bad as having family members killed so I can't say really. Maybe logic goes out of the window.

Yeah crazy going to crazy. What's really to blame as far as I'm concerned is the failed polices that allows this desert squabble to also play out on the streets of Europe and I felt like venting
 
Tons of terrorist attacks have nothing to do with the israel/palestein shit if not for that someone else would find another reason to kill innocents. The person might be different but it keeps happening.

I'm really just frustrated that people like this are imported and allowed to stay despite almost always "being known" to police. It's a total failure of policies.

As for israel/palestein I would be happy to stay out it as both sides are shit but I also see why Germany supports Israel because of their holocaust guilt complex
The guy was carrying a Palestinian flag during the attack wasnt he? I think that seems to make it pretty clear that was a large part of his motivation.

I'd agree it could well be a failing of the German Police with this man although that actually seems far harder to say for sure compared to the above and you have no problem with making that point, could be this guy was a petty criminal for example who they were not aware had been radicalised.

Germans "holocaust guilt complex" is no moral justification for supporting Israeli actions, that's ignoring of course the close German/US alliance which has existed since WW2 with German backing of Israel following US interests, to mention making the German arms industry a lot of money.
 
The guy was carrying a Palestinian flag during the attack wasnt he? I think that seems to make it pretty clear that was a large part of his motivation.

I'd agree it could well be a failing of the German Police with this man although that actually seems far harder to say for sure compared to the above and you have no problem with making that point, could be this guy was a petty criminal for example who they were not aware had been radicalised.

Germans "holocaust guilt complex" is no moral justification for supporting Israeli actions, that's ignoring of course the close German/US alliance which has existed since WW2 with German backing of Israel following US interests, to mention making the German arms industry a lot of money.

My point was more that without germany supporting isreal this sort of thing still would happen if that's not the point then all good

I don't think holocaust is justification but I also understand why they feel pressured to do so and why it won't stop anytime soon
 
Is it? people seem fine to call this guy a terrorist(rather than just someone mentally ill going on the rampage) driven by politics and German support of Israel seems like by far the most obvious motivator given that he was carrying a Palestinian flag.

Again that's no justification for his monstrous actions but the reality is that the actions of the German state in backing Israeli actions did likely play a significant factor in causing this to happen.

Basically pointing out that not only is Germanys strong backing of Israeli ethnic cleansing highly immoral but its also putting innocent German citizens at greater risk of terror attacks.
The motive seemed to be attacking his wife, anyone she loved and anyone who sided with her

Wearing a Palestinian flag might just be incidental in this case. A ton of people wear that flag in support.

Either way, jail/deport
 
Tons of terrorist attacks have nothing to do with the israel/palestein shit if not for that someone else would find another reason to kill innocents. The person might be different but it keeps happening.

I'm really just frustrated that people like this are imported and allowed to stay despite almost always "being known" to police. It's a total failure of policies.

As for israel/palestein I would be happy to stay out it as both sides are shit but I also see why Germany supports Israel because of their holocaust guilt complex

have you ever stopped yourself and wondered why so many of these people are immigrating? What was the reason behind them migrating when it never happened before? Was it because their countries got destroyed and forced them out?

Do you think Syrians wanted to leave?
 
have you ever stopped yourself and wondered why so many of these people are immigrating? What was the reason behind them migrating when it never happened before? Was it because their countries got destroyed and forced them out?

Do you think Syrians wanted to leave?

Why they wanted to is irrelevant if the governments said no like they should have. If Europe wanted to help they could have provided funding for refugee accommodation in other safe muslim countries that are much more culturally aligned with the refugees.

Since you bring up Syria I'll say I've always been opposed to western funding of """"moderate rebels"""" as accomplishing nothing but the destruction of the country
 
Why they wanted to is irrelevant if the governments said no like they should have. If Europe wanted to help they could have provided funding for refugee accommodation in other safe muslim countries that are much more culturally aligned with the refugees.

Since you bring up Syria I'll say I've always been opposed to western funding of """"moderate rebels"""" as accomplishing nothing but the destruction of the country

Why would other countries want them? Turkey already has the most Syrians and it’s a mess. This wouldn’t be an issue if nobody intervened in their lives.

Afghans were just farmers in the mountains minding their own business. Why were they forced to flee?

It’s just comical that people like you laugh in the I/p thread without realising that what you cheer for results in things you hate like immigration

The cost of wealth is immigration and nothing you can do will ever change that. It’s a result of capitalism.
 
Why would other countries want them? Turkey already has the most Syrians and it’s a mess. This wouldn’t be an issue if nobody intervened in their lives.

Afghans were just farmers in the mountains minding their own business. Why were they forced to flee?

It’s just comical that people like you laugh in the I/p thread without realising that what you cheer for results in things you hate like immigration

The cost of wealth is immigration and nothing you can do will ever change that. It’s a result of capitalism.

If muslim countries wouldn't want them then why the hell would Europeans? If the refugees are causing issues in Turkey why would it be any better in a western country that they have even less in common with?
I know you're trying to say that the the people meddling in the mid east should take them and if they were all being dumped in the US and Israel it would make somewhat more sense than them ending up in places like the Netherlands, Ireland, Scandinavia etc who have fuck all to do with anything going on.

I don't post in the israel/palestein thread though so don't lump me in with those ghouls that'll you very much
 
It won't be long until other countries do like Austria and elect actual nazis as although that is horrible, many see it as not as horrible as letting the 3rd world infest and ruin their countries.
This is the logical outcome that the importers of this type of stuff don't understand - or maybe they do. They allow for people like Donald Trump, populists and actual far right people come to power. People get sick of mass immigration, their culture changing, violence, chaos, their way of life getting upended all because some politicians want to bring in a bunch of people that don't integrate.

It's a tale as old as humanity. We used to live in tribes and are still tribal. If a new tribe comes in that is different and wants the same resources, it typically doesn't end well.

Immigration should never be on a mass scale. It has to be controlled and only those allowed in that want to integrate. I've said it before but I would have citizenship tests and zero tolerance policies. You'd have to have an entire section on religion. If someone fails that test, they aren't allowed in. If they pass and commit any violence, they are out. I'd also require you to learn the langue and your first job be with social services or the military (non-combat) to help the community.

Immigration is important. Mass immigration destroys socities.
 
When you come from a culture that supports terrorism, radicalization, and violence towards citizens, and then you let in thousands of these people in to your country, this shit will happen. A normal man when left by his wife may just go get drunk. Maybe he gets in a fight. He doesn't wear a Palestinian flag and go Jihad on the town. Set two separate fires to residences where children are. He doesn't smash his car into two separate shops. He doesn't then take a machete and begin to attack people. Luckily the residents grabbed rakes and garden tools and fought him off until the cops came. The only solution is mass deportation. Thats all that will work at this point.
 
This is the logical outcome that the importers of this type of stuff don't understand - or maybe they do. They allow for people like Donald Trump, populists and actual far right people come to power. People get sick of mass immigration, their culture changing, violence, chaos, their way of life getting upended all because some politicians want to bring in a bunch of people that don't integrate.

It's a tale as old as humanity. We used to live in tribes and are still tribal. If a new tribe comes in that is different and wants the same resources, it typically doesn't end well.

Immigration should never be on a mass scale. It has to be controlled and only those allowed in that want to integrate. I've said it before but I would have citizenship tests and zero tolerance policies. You'd have to have an entire section on religion. If someone fails that test, they aren't allowed in. If they pass and commit any violence, they are out. I'd also require you to learn the langue and your first job be with social services or the military (non-combat) to help the community.

Immigration is important. Mass immigration destroys socities.
Love this post......But can't we at least start with not letting in people with criminal records? No gang members? No radical religious nuts? How about no single males? We don't turn our backs on Women and Children but can't we at least be sensible?
 
When you come from a culture that supports terrorism, radicalization, and violence towards citizens, and then you let in thousands of these people in to your country, this shit will happen. A normal man when left by his wife may just go get drunk. Maybe he gets in a fight. He doesn't wear a Palestinian flag and go Jihad on the town. Set two separate fires to residences where children are. He doesn't smash his car into two separate shops. He doesn't then take a machete and begin to attack people. Luckily the residents grabbed rakes and garden tools and fought him off until the cops came. The only solution is mass deportation. Thats all that will work at this point.
I agree with everything you said but "mass deportation" is a fantasy. It reminds me of Trump saying that he's going to mass deport Mexicans in the U.S.

How exactly are you going to do that? Go door to door checking papers like Nazis? How are you going to round up MILLIONS of Islamists and put them on trains, boats and airplanes? It's logistically impossible. There are here to stay.

The only solution is to secure the borders to prevent more coming in. You could possibly do like Sweden and pay them money to leave but you'd have to find a way to prevent them from ever coming back. The genie is out of the bottle.
 
Not directly related, but yesterday Austria had the legislative elections, meaning we voted the lower house of Austria's bicameral parliament.

Austrias main media are historically pro socialist party, meaning leftist. The social democrats have build the media sector since WW2 and therefore the national TV is also pro social democrats. With that also some of the largest and most spread newspapers are leftist as well.

The attack of this Syrian dude with the Palestine flag happened on Saturday but the Austrian National TV incl. its most important newspapers released this news only yesterday after 3pm. Thats a time where more than 90% of the Austrians have given their vote.

This is a prime exmple how media will try to influence elections.


Fun fact, on Friday the same media went off about some funeral of a right wing politician because they sang a song which the SS used during WW2 (a song which was written in 1819 and had nothing to do with Nazis but was a student song about loyality). The point is that all army songs have been used by the SS during this time. This "incident" got so much more media coverage from this media outlets than the guy who injured 31 persons.... let that sink in!
 
Love this post......But can't we at least start with not letting in people with criminal records? No gang members? No radical religious nuts? How about no single males? We don't turn our backs on Women and Children but can't we at least be sensible?
Sensible has left the station years ago. Sorry.
 
this thread title made me think some dude just beat down 31 people with a palestinian flag
 
I agree with everything you said but "mass deportation" is a fantasy. It reminds me of Trump saying that he's going to mass deport Mexicans in the U.S.

How exactly are you going to do that? Go door to door checking papers like Nazis? How are you going to round up MILLIONS of and put them on trains, boats and airplanes? It's logistically impossible. There are here to stay.

The only solution is to secure the borders to prevent more coming in. You could possibly do like Sweden and pay them money to leave but you'd have to find a way to prevent them from ever coming back. The genie is out of the bottle.

It's not logistically impossible, it's been done before several times throughout history, even in the US (natives, ethnic japanese). The logistics isn't the issue, it's what the response would be.

But you're right, it's not the correct solution. The correct solution is just to stop interfering in the middle east. Stop giving them the incentive to do this to us.

We poke the dog with a stick and then cry when it bites us.
 

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