Crime Man beheaded in Northern France

[Bald1]

And before anyone responds, yes Sherdog forums are majority right of center, that's not even in dispute and i won't entertain fantasies that its actually the opposite.

Lol. Show's your true mindset. Any opinion in opposition to mine is a fantasy. Thank god you're here championing a belief system that has a tolerance problem.

 

[moosaev]

We're not though. That's the thing. We're giving them leeway and making excuses for their behaviour, in governmental terms. In reality we should be clamping down and saying "see what's happening over there? We're not having that attitude here."

Show me one western European government afflicted by this type of attack that has said "but what about ".

Or one that refuses to give them the same government benefits the locals have. We're trying. They aren't. And no,the racist attitudes if some locals does not trump the overall country's attempt to assimilate and help. As an immigrant anywhere you will always find some pushback from some locals, that goes for ANYONE and ANYWHERE.

"We're trying, they aren't"

This is really the definition of passing the buck. You could've said that both sides could do better, but the fact that you're just laying it all on immigrants is quite telling. This attitude might be why things aren't getting better, food for thought.

Check out this study on job discrimination in France. Jobs are the first step to integrating muslim immigrants, if they can't find dignity through work while also staying true to their identity, then there is no hope.

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/november/muslim-france-study-112210.html

 

[brownsmith76]

Making a claim that the majority of 1.8 billion have radical views is an absurdly broad statement that should have a high bar for evidence.

This is your evidence that "extreme" Muslim views are considered mainstream by many Muslims.

Why are you a hardcore Islam apologist?

1. Are you a Muslim yourself in real life?
2. Do you have a Muslim girlfriend?
3. Do you have Muslim classmates?
4. Do you have Muslim co-workers?
5. Do you have Muslim neighbors?

Any of these reasons could make you biased. You can sweep all the problems of Islam under the carpet.

 

[moosaev]

Lol. Show's your true mindset. Any opinion in opposition to mine is a fantasy. Thank god you're here championing a belief system that has a tolerance problem.

I'm not opposed to "any" opinion that's different from mine. Only one's that are obviously false.

 

[Bald1]

I'm not opposed to "any" opinion that's different from mine. Only one's that are obviously false.

Keep it up. You're doing great!

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

you'd be quite surprised by how little many Muslims know about Islam. Keep in mind huge chunk of the muslim world is poorly educated and many are illiterate.

You are right, there is a smaller percentage that want the Hudud incorporated with Sharia. That's still a lot of people.

https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

 

[moosaev]

Why are you a hardcore Islam apologist?

1. Are you a Muslim yourself in real life?
2. Do you have a Muslim girlfriend?
3. Do you have Muslim classmates?
4. Do you have Muslim co-workers?
5. Do you have Muslim neighbors?

Any of these reasons could make you biased. You can sweep all the problems of Islam under the carpet.

hahahahahahaha

So the only people that can have an objective view of Islam are people who have never met or don't know any muslims??

lmaoooooooooooooo. I honestly haven't laughed this hard in a long time.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

This is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Every time I think we make progress, I see videos like this and then the apologists.

What he is describing here are radical/extremist views but as clearly stated in the video, are just normal, every day Islamic views. 99% of people raised their hands stating that women shouldn't sit with men and that death is appropriate punishment if Allah wills it. How do you fight against this narrative?

 

[SATW]

I just wish we had more Imams out there de-radicalizing people and showing how all of this stuff is actually forbidden in Islam and fight back against it. There's plenty of evidence that the radicalization is coming from Wahabism and influence from Saudi Arabia. It's a political move to hurt the West more than it is a religion conquest it seems. It's all about control.

Also Turkey and Qatar
And no, it's about religious conquest and not about control

Keep on sleeping zzzz....

 

[Deleted member 539235]

There's a reason why US muslims are so much better integrated into society than European muslims, because the US is a nation of immigrants and nobody really has a claim to be truly "American".

lol, they just know if they fucked around, they'd find out

american muslims are much more chilled and westernised because from the start it was clear they have no chance of getting a foothold, add on a few generations and there you have it, regular americans who actually like the country they live in, unlike every other western nation

 

[moosaev]

lol, they just know if they fucked around, they'd find out

american muslims are much more chilled and westernised because from the start it was clear they have no chance of getting a foothold, add on a few generations and there you have it, regular americans who actually like the country they live in, unlike every other western nation

No, it’s because strangely Americans have many similar values to Muslims. God fearing, suspicious of government, and generally a desire to just make their own way. European societies put an emphasis on conformity to central government, Americans don’t. The funny thing is that European Muslims are LESS religious than American Muslims and yet still less integrated. How do you explain that?

 

[Bald1]

This is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Every time I think we make progress, I see videos like this and then the apologists.

What he is describing here are radical/extremist views but as clearly stated in the video, are just normal, every day Islamic views. 99% of people raised their hands stating that women shouldn't sit with men and that death is appropriate punishment if Allah wills it. How do you fight against this narrative?

One person's radicalism is anothers vanilla Islam. This is why I think Islam is incompatible with free societies. Nevermind that too many amongst their ranks are cowards who will play along with delusions from the old world thus perpetuating these cultural norms generation after generation.

Men and women should be segregated and religious law should supercede that of the land. Doesn't sound too terrible, yet it goes against our core values.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

No, it’s because strangely Americans have many similar values to Muslims. God fearing, suspicious of government, and generally a desire to just make their own way. European societies put an emphasis on conformity to central government, Americans don’t. The funny thing is that European Muslims are LESS religious than American Muslims and yet still less integrated. How do you explain that?

nah, if the realisation that everyone is armed hadn't hung over their heads they'd be the UK on steroids by the time numbers are up

 

[moosaev]

nah, if the realisation that everyone is armed hadn't hung over their heads they'd be the UK on steroids by the time numbers are up

Smh, this is a ridiculous take. Americans Muslims are the most diverse religious subgroup in the US, look it up. They don’t all think the same. Just individuals trying to live their lives, I really feel sorry for Americans walking around with such a warped paranoid world view.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Think of how many hundreds and thousands of years Europeans set this continent back. Imagine the hospitals the natives would have built to welcome those from all tribes to heal them.

it’s so sad. I haven’t healed from these injustices to this day . I hope my hurt can be overcome someday but it’s very unlikely as I then think about other injustices and Im just a mess from it all.
I have a Native American friend who is a chief. Goes by the name of Barry Lutz. I’ve learned so much from this man.

 

[brownsmith76]

american muslims are much more chilled and westernised

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html
"How nearly SEVENTY have been arrested in America over ISIS plots in the last 18 months".

 

[Deleted member 539235]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-refugees-given-safe-haven-turned-terror.html
"How nearly SEVENTY have been arrested in America over ISIS plots in the last 18 months".

oh of course there'll be radicals, i'm referencing regular "moderate" muslims

in the UK people demand a lot more concessions and are more openly sympathetic when an attack like this occurs

 

[cunglaowins]

This is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Every time I think we make progress, I see videos like this and then the apologists.

What he is describing here are radical/extremist views but as clearly stated in the video, are just normal, every day Islamic views. 99% of people raised their hands stating that women shouldn't sit with men and that death is appropriate punishment if Allah wills it. How do you fight against this narrative?

Thee is no reconciliation. Muslims cannot live peacefully with others because they have to follow that book. The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is the concept of FORGIVENESS. Without forgiveness there can be no civilization.

Peace to the is not real peace but just downtime until the next revenge/justice. They live between revenges. Non Muslims think the oscassional he’d chopping are aberations. They’re not, they’re part of the revenge cycle .

 

[method115]

Go look at how non muslims who actually LIVE in Muslim countries are treated. You think the literal slaves that live in the Emirati states who have had their passports taken so they can be used as slave labour, dont hate the locals? I dont see any beheadings or revenge acts going on there from the African and south east Asians who are considered sub human slave races .

I had a cousin who witnessed this kind of stuff and it made him quit the job. He couldn't stand seeing it and felt like it was going to get him in trouble eventually.

 

[Seso]

No, it’s because strangely Americans have many similar values to Muslims. God fearing, suspicious of government, and generally a desire to just make their own way. European societies put an emphasis on conformity to central government, Americans don’t. The funny thing is that European Muslims are LESS religious than American Muslims and yet still less integrated. How do you explain that?

Because Europe takes muslims from the lower class in guest workers in the past and migrants today . And since the atlantic ocean divides USA and the middle east, the usa can carefully choose who they are letting in and they choose the best of the best, not the low class. Europe is in a geographically situation where they can't choose because migrants were already waiting at the border like in 2015.

It was just a mistake to let low class people from the muslim world in because of course they have to work harder if they start from the bottom. Many of them can't and fail and blame the natives, become jealous of them, jealousy turns into hate, etc.

And french is a ethnicity and american is not a ethnicity, so it's easier to become american instead of french. Islam doesn't make it easier and creates a we vs them situation, and all the muslim terrorist attacks in France since 2012 makes it even worse
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France