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Crime Man beheaded in Northern France

I like how you ignored the part about hate speech to justify the double standard, the same double standard that exists in France. Basically if you want to shit on Muslims you're a hero but don't you dare desecrate the flag or engage in anti-Semitism. I'm not even against the double standard, its natural for countries to hold their national symbols in high regard and given France's unique history with the Jewish people its understandable they'd have unique sensitivity to anti-Semitism. That's not wrong, just get off your high horse when it comes to "muh freedom of speech!"

It is not a double standard, no rights are absolute (none that I've examined) and may have exceptions to them. Hate speech is not illegal unless it is used to incite, a person cannot walk in to a mosque and slaughter a pig and call it free speech, a person cannot piss on a Quran in front a bunch of Muslims and think he is protected, in both those examples the person would be arrested for incitement. Now a person may draw a picture of Mo as long as they are not doing it to incite as we are not bound by Sharia blasphemy laws.

That's plain wrong, handgun bans have been struck down as unconstitutional.

Well people that believe in a full ban of hand guns could not recite the Oath of Allegiance honestly then, they should not get citizenship

Again Americans do not really derive their morals from the Constitution, that's a fiction you've invented here. We're bound to it by law but that doesn't mean our individual morality aligns with it and in the case of many Americans there are tensions such as the case of flag desecration, hate speech, views on guns and so on.

We are bound by our Oath to protect and defend our Constitution, if a person cannot recite those words honestly they do not belong here as our Constitution is what makes us American.
 
So, a flat out liar as well as an apologist, eh A Psych Major? I'm done with you.
I never denied the claim, that at one point I hid my apostasy, but rather what you've extrapolated from it more than once, that I only reverted because of familial pressure. That's something you can't possibly know but claim with confidence for whatever reason.

I also noticed that you still haven't answered my question, once again you weasel out despite accusing me of doing the same. Go on, slither away now.
 
I never denied the claim, that at one point I hid my apostasy, but rather what you've extrapolated from it more than once, that I only reverted because of familial pressure. That's something you can't possibly know but claim with confidence for whatever reason.

I also noticed that you still haven't answered my question, once again you weasel out despite accusing me of doing the same. Go on, slither away now.
Lol. Pathetic.

Everyone who challenges you is either a snake or a terrible human being. Keep up the good work kid.
 
Lol. Pathetic.

Everyone who challenges you is either a snake or a terrible human being. Keep up the good work kid.
I guess we're playing that game you talked about where you dodge my questions and then get mad at me despite my answering yours.
 
So what about the tens of millions of Muslims currently in Europe?

ICE on steroids for immigrants.

Then the question becomes how do muslim citizens integrate into a western society.

That's really where people like you Kaliph come in. It's your job to marry the two worlds into a western existence (which you have). I know you're hoping for something similar to the mormon model but we're dealing with vastly different religious doctrines in islam and christianity. I dont think that is at all possible with the major sects of islam. I think there will have to be substantial concessions made to the point where then one must wonder... is it even islam still?
 
ICE on steroids for immigrants.

Then the question becomes how do muslim citizens integrate into a western society.

That's really where people like you Kaliph come in. It's your job to marry the two worlds into a western existence (which you have). I know you're hoping for something similar to the mormon model but we're dealing with vastly different religious doctrine in islam and christianity. I dont think that at all possible with mainstream islam. I think there will have to be substantial concessions made to the point where one must wonder... is it even islam?
Would Islam be the "real Islam" if it was stripped of it political and judicial elements? Hell, quranists, Shias and various smaller sects who believe in a different version from that of Sunnis are the most persecuted people by mainstream Islam.
 
Ufc fighter Zelim Imadaev wrote this on his IG this weekend.
"Let Allah accept your sacrifice. Hero of Islam".
EkmMtQvX0AAaXhU

Some sources are saying that this is the chechen guy who beheaded the teacher
https://valetudo.ru/mma/news/zelim-...rorista-obezglavivshego-uchitelya-vo-frantsii
 
Would Islam be the "real Islam" if it was stripped of it political and judicial elements? Hell, quranists, Shias and various smaller sects who believe in a different version from that of Sunnis are the most persecuted people by mainstream Islam.

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Christianity is unique in the Abrahamic faiths due to its separation of god and state. Christianity is secular in nature - it emerged in a political system that was hostile to its conception so it had to find a way to exist.

Islam is simply not compatible in the same way.
 
Ufc fighter Zelim Imadaev wrote this on his IG this weekend.
"Let Allah accept your sacrifice. Hero of Islam".
EkmMtQvX0AAaXhU

Some sources are saying that this is the chechen guy who beheaded the teacher
https://valetudo.ru/mma/news/zelim-...rorista-obezglavivshego-uchitelya-vo-frantsii

If this is true, this is what we are dealing with. People that think if you draw a CARTOON, the person is deserving of death and the person that killed them is a hero and will go to heaven for the sacrifice. There is a fanaticism that is unparalleled with other religions and feels common place and mainstream.

When a Christian nut job bombs an abortion clinic, it's a huge deal and usually one lone actor. When it's something like this, it's a story virtually every week and you have a bunch of people praising the actions OR, putting the blame on the victim saying they should have known better.

I really thought that in 2020, religion would be on the way out and we wouldn't be fighting over race. It seems like we've undone all of the progress we've worked for in the blink of an eye lately.
 
ICE on steroids for immigrants.

Then the question becomes how do muslim citizens integrate into a western society.

That's really where people like you Kaliph come in. It's your job to marry the two worlds into a western existence (which you have). I know you're hoping for something similar to the mormon model but we're dealing with vastly different religious doctrine in islam and christianity. I dont think that at all possible with mainstream islam. I think there will have to be substantial concessions made to the point where one must wonder... is it even islam?
That's a tough sell to Muslims who aren't already secular and actually care about Islam. I don't think anything of the sort is required unless the liberal state really wants to engage in thought policing which to be fair, as evidenced by Macron's recent take, does seem to be the direction that liberalism is going. I get that people want to thought police Muslims but I think its a mistake. Do you really think you'll always be on the right side of post-modernity's ever changing values? That it won't come for your heresies? We see this with the transgender activists and their agenda whereby parents with any skepticism of the movement can be deemed child abusers if their child happens to claim to be in the wrong body. You ask us to make substantial concessions but will you concede your child to the state and whatever ideology it seeks to impose upon him or her as you ask us to?

You want us to abandon our religion the way Christians did but what good did that do for them? What has the West seen in the aftermath of the fall of Christianity? The breakdown of the family, loss of local community ties and organization, narcissism, widening inequality, a mental health crisis and so on. Not very inspiring if you ask me.
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Christianity is unique in the Abrahamic faiths due to its separation of god and state. Christianity is secular in nature - it emerged in a political system that was hostile to its conception so it had to find a way to exist.
Yet that didn't save it from attempted annihilation at the hands of the French state after the revolution.

The difference between post-modern liberalism and traditional premodern Islam is that the former is fanatically statist, the French state especially so, while the latter is borderline anarchic by comparison. The modern liberal state has invaded every aspect of our lives and regulates the most tiny minutia of our existence. Macron even wants to regulate your religious beliefs, seeing himself and his state apparatus as fit to judge what is and isn't proper Islam.

Meanwhile traditional Islamic societies barely relied on the state at all, organizing itself from the bottom up through neighborhoods, mosques, guilds, charitable foundations and so on. To use a modern term, traditional Islamic societies have small states but rely on and extensive web of civil society organizations to organize society instead of a large, centralized state. So in that sense there is an incompatibility since the modern state refuses to allow this and instead seeks to monopolize all the functions that Muslims traditionally handled on their own without the use of a bureaucratic state.
 
Would Islam be the "real Islam" if it was stripped of it political and judicial elements? Hell, quranists, Shias and various smaller sects who believe in a different version from that of Sunnis are the most persecuted people by mainstream Islam.
Why is it wrong for us to be political? Other communities are highly politicized, if we want to organize through civil society what is wrong with that? Is it only okay to be political if you're a feminist or an LGBT rights activist or a right wing nutter?

What is wrong with Muslims arbitrating our own disputes according to our religion? Christians and Jews already have this in the UK and US but somehow when we do it its wrong? Double standard after double standard when it comes to dealing with Muslims is what I see.
 
No reason for these radicals to be here unless these European governments have nefarious and evil intentions. And no, I'm not talking about not having Muslims, you bring them in at a reasonable levels, have them assimilate, rinse and repeat. I'm talking about miss migration of radicals who clearly have no intention of assimilating whatsoever and who can not thrive in a relatively free and civil 1st world environment.
 
Is there any country where christians can live under muslims freely without paying some kind of submit tax?

Legit curious
 
Would Islam be the "real Islam" if it was stripped of it political and judicial elements? Hell, quranists, Shias and various smaller sects who believe in a different version from that of Sunnis are the most persecuted people by mainstream Islam.

Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants all thought of each other as heretics at one point and that's only within Pauline Christianity. I certainly hope Americas ideals of individuality and secularism can influence American Muslims enough that they reform and defeat extremism.
 
Is there any country where christians can live under muslims freely without paying some kind of submit tax?

Legit curious
Are you asking if there's a country where people don't pay taxes? Uh, no there isn't. Got anymore stupid questions?
 
Are you asking if there's a country where people don't pay taxes? Uh, no there isn't. Got anymore stupid questions?

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people

Wait wut

No but seriously

Is there any country where muslims rule and christians can practise their religion without paying special tax that allows them to practise their religion?

Also known as jizya

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
 
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