Making US Great Again A Slogan But It's Not Donald Trump Who Is Going To Do It

[PEB]

US again is leading an industrial revolution without wars and without stump speeches. After 7 years of President Obama the US may have something other then wars to talk about but a new industrial revolution. US used to be the world leader in cars and technology but for the most part of the 2000's US was more talked about wars and their efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq then revolutionary ideas.

Now the US thanks to people like Elon Musk and other innovating startups the US again is showing the world how the US can still innovate. This is not about social media companies like Facebook or companies like Google this is about big ideas that the US was famous at delivering. Japan and China have been racing to bring the next big thing to market and most of the times they make impressive demos but in real world the US gets it working.

This sounds like I am some kind of flag waving patriot but I am just looking at facts like Tesla and SpaceX as well as a number of robotics startups like Boston Dynamics. You almost felt like the US had it's hand off the wheel for the last decade only to find itself again. As the rest of the world struggle with recessions and shrinking economies the US continues to grow.

So as we look at the legacy of President Obama and I am not specifically a total fan of his it's nice not to be thought of as a bunch of war mongers but innovators again. The point being the US is not going to be leading by stump speeches or immigration polices and building walls it will by continuing to out innovate the rest of the world. Big idea I mean really big ideas and risk takers not campaign speeches by Democratic or Republicans running for President is what going to lead the US but innovations will continue to lead.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Not companies like Google?

They own Boston Dynamics; not to mention their Alphabet division is one of the largest leaders in funding these start ups. They are the leaders in this revolution. Lockheed definitely deserves a nod as well with their research in Quantum computing, space exploration (contributing to the Orion capsual) and odds on favourite to be the first to release a practical Fusion reactor within the next 3-4 years (beating Europe and ITER by 3 years).

Everything else i agree with what you said - however, the US government spends only a small amount on science and innovation. This means it the corporations, the billion dollar entities within the US that are leading this revolution. While i find that fact a great thing, some of you more left leaning supporters seem to get agitated by it.

But overall i agree, the technology companies based out of the US are incredible and will be its saving grace.

 

[PEB]

Not companies like Google?

They own Boston Dynamics; not to mention their Alphabet division is one of the largest leaders in funding these start ups. They are the leaders in this revolution.

Everything else i agree with what you said - however, the US government spends only a small amount on science and innovation. This means it the corporations, the billion dollar entities within the US that are leading this revolution. While i find that fact a great thing, some of you more left leaning supporters seem to get agitated by it.

But overall i agree, the technology companies based out of the US are incredible and will be its saving grace.

I understand your feelings about Google and people have to remember that Google bought Boston Dynamics and now they are trying to sell it again. The reason is Google's lack of interest in taking a huge risk. Boston Dynamics has big plans but it is not something that will generate sizable revenues in the next 5 years. Google evaluated the need to have commercial applications before that timeline as well as integration with their platforms. Boston Dynamics had bigger plans but needed a longer window both of these things flew directly into the face of Google. People like Google and Facebook even though they have a large number of employees are not huge risk takers. Elon Musk is a risk taker not unlike Steve Jobs in recent memory or in the past like Henry Ford. These people lead by saying something can be done when everyone else is saying your wasting your time.

EDIT: I was thinking about other big risk takers like Craig Vitter and his efforts to decode the human GNOME. It was such a huge risk and he put all of his personal fortune into it. He achieved his goal but it cost him his business and was still able to share a patent application with the US Government. The reason being that the human GNOME patent posed such a huge threat to other US businesses the US Government launched it's own decoding efforts. Vitter and the Government both achieved their goals literally at the same point in time.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I understand your feelings about Google and people have to remember that Google bought Boston Dynamics and now they are trying to sell it again. The reason is Google's lack of interest in taking a huge risk. Boston Dynamics has big plans but it is not something that will generate sizable revenues in the next 5 years. Google evaluated the need to have commercial applications before that timeline as well as integration with their platforms. Boston Dynamics had bigger plans but needed a longer window both of these things flew directly into the face of Google. People like Google and Facebook even though they have a large number of employees are not huge risk takers. Elon Musk is a risk taker not unlike Steve Jobs in recent memory or in the past like Henry Ford. These people lead by saying something can be done when everyone else is saying your wasting your time.

I dont think you can say Google is adverse to risk, Alphabet as an umbrella is losing money because Google is investing so much into various markets in the hopes they grow. Them looking to sell of BD is more indicative of them not seeing the value of autonomous AI at this point. They still own 12 other robotics / automation/ AI companies - all apart of 190 different ventures and acquisitions. Just because they have to let a few go in order to fund others is not a sign of being risk adverse.

I agree with Elon being a visionary - but so are Sergey and Larry

 

[PEB]

I dont think you can say Google is adverse to risk, Alphabet as an umbrella is losing money because Google is investing so much into various markets in the hopes they grow. Them looking to sell of BD is more indicative of them not seeing the value of autonomous AI at this point. They still own 12 other robotics / automation/ AI companies - all apart of 190 different ventures and acquisitions. Just because they have to let a few go in order to fund others is not a sign of being risk adverse.

I agree with Elon being a visionary - but so are Sergey and Larry

I still don't see examples where Sergey and Larry are leading a new revolution. Android came out after Apple IOS for phones, Tesla is delivering autonomously enabled cars ahead of Google's own efforts and Google glass has largely been panned by most people. More examples search engine Google was not the first in that world and Google own sunk works have yet to yield new revenue sources like in areas such as automotive, VR, augmented reality, robotics and others. They run around with their huge checkbook hoping to jump on the next big thing. Just looking at their last earning statement and how ad revenues are shrinking. Google at time looks more like a one hit wonder.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I still don't see examples where Sergey and Larry are leading a new revolution. Android came out after Apple IOS for phones, Tesla is delivering autonomously enabled cars ahead of Google's own efforts and Google glass has largely been panned by most people. More examples search engine Google was not the first in that world and Google own sunk works have yet to yield new revenue sources like in areas such as automotive, VR, augmented reality, robotics and others. They run around with their huge checkbook hoping to jump on the next big thing. Just looking at their last earning statement and how ad revenues are shrinking. Google at time looks more like a one hit wonder.

Google doesnt own skunkworks...

Space X / Tesla didnt start electric cars or capsules - and bought startups just like Google does.

Google's ventures are funding these "visionary" companies - not the US gov. So not sure how you can say they are leading / one of the leaders in this revolution. They are providing the monetary resources and acquiring and replacing the talent to make next-gen happen. Google is a leader in the make america great theme of your thread.

Whether they have net profits from their ventures is not the point - they are planting the necessary resources for these fields to take off.

Funding these big ideas is a central factor to success and private entities are doing a much better job than the Gov.

Edit - i still agree with your premise that innovators are what make the US great.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

It's a stupid slogan that wouldn't have done well in most other political climates because it assumes our country isn't great.
It is, though, and Trump couldn't improve it in any meaningful way.

Except by disappearing from it.

 

[jrams]

Boston Dynamics is a startup? They've been around for 25 years. And if they get bought by Amazon they will probably fold them into Amazon Robotics and work on delivery systems rather than the bipedal/quadruped work they've been doing.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

Almost every election, I'm astounded that a politician can take a slogan proclaiming something that everybody agrees with and wants, generally provide few or no specifics, and some people will slurp it down and proclaim the politician the greatest Idea (Wo)man in generations.

 

[Cmart]

US again is leading an industrial revolution without wars and without stump speeches. After 7 years of President Obama the US may have something other then wars to talk about but a new industrial revolution. US used to be the world leader in cars and technology but for the most part of the 2000's US was more talked about wars and their efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq then revolutionary ideas.

Now the US thanks to people like Elon Musk and other innovating startups the US again is showing the world how the US can still innovate. This is not about social media companies like Facebook or companies like Google this is about big ideas that the US was famous at delivering. Japan and China have been racing to bring the next big thing to market and most of the times they make impressive demos but in real world the US gets it working.

This sounds like I am some kind of flag waving patriot but I am just looking at facts like Tesla and SpaceX as well as a number of robotics startups like Boston Dynamics. You almost felt like the US had it's hand off the wheel for the last decade only to find itself again. As the rest of the world struggle with recessions and shrinking economies the US continues to grow.

So as we look at the legacy of President Obama and I am not specifically a total fan of his it's nice not to be thought of as a bunch of war mongers but innovators again. The point being the US is not going to be leading by stump speeches or immigration polices and building walls it will by continuing to out innovate the rest of the world. Big idea I mean really big ideas and risk takers not campaign speeches by Democratic or Republicans running for President is what going to lead the US but innovations will continue to lead.

Obama is along for the ride. He's no more responsible nor does he deserve credit for Tesla or Space X than Bill Clinton deserves credit for the internet.

These are just developments that came along under his tenure, and Obama is lucky to have sycophants who try to associate these accomplishments with his legacy. His true legacy is food stamps, lower workforce, racial divide, and a failed medical insurance takeover.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

US again is leading an industrial revolution without wars and without stump speeches. After 7 years of President Obama the US may have something other then wars to talk about but a new industrial revolution. US used to be the world leader in cars and technology but for the most part of the 2000's US was more talked about wars and their efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq then revolutionary ideas.

Now the US thanks to people like Elon Musk and other innovating startups the US again is showing the world how the US can still innovate. This is not about social media companies like Facebook or companies like Google this is about big ideas that the US was famous at delivering. Japan and China have been racing to bring the next big thing to market and most of the times they make impressive demos but in real world the US gets it working.

This sounds like I am some kind of flag waving patriot but I am just looking at facts like Tesla and SpaceX as well as a number of robotics startups like Boston Dynamics. You almost felt like the US had it's hand off the wheel for the last decade only to find itself again. As the rest of the world struggle with recessions and shrinking economies the US continues to grow.

So as we look at the legacy of President Obama and I am not specifically a total fan of his it's nice not to be thought of as a bunch of war mongers but innovators again. The point being the US is not going to be leading by stump speeches or immigration polices and building walls it will by continuing to out innovate the rest of the world. Big idea I mean really big ideas and risk takers not campaign speeches by Democratic or Republicans running for President is what going to lead the US but innovations will continue to lead.

You're selling Larry Paige way short , he is just as cutting edge as Musk just in different areas , he is leading the way in many respects with robotics and AI.

He and Musk are good freinds and meet regularly .

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Obama is along for the ride. He's no more responsible nor does he deserve credit for Tesla or Space X than Bill Clinton deserves credit for the internet.

These are just developments that came along under his tenure, and Obama is lucky to have sycophants who try to associate these accomplishments with his legacy. His true legacy is food stamps, lower workforce, racial divide, and a failed medical insurance takeover.

Not true , Musk would have gone belly up if not for government subsidies

 

[Desdinova]

It's a stupid slogan that wouldn't have done well in most other political climates because it assumes our country isn't great.
It is, though, and Trump couldn't improve it in any meaningful way.

Except by disappearing from it.

Yes we can!

 

[Cmart]

Not true , Musk would have gone belly up if not for government subsidies

Like dozens of pro-Obama funding receivers did, after burning through billions in taxpayer money.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Like dozens of pro-Obama funding receivers did, after burning through billions in taxpayer money.

Yup , 2.2 billion in loans to renewable energy companies will never be paid back , i would argue the successes make up for that and then some ......and then of course there is the 17 billion in annual subsidies to the oil and gas industry.

 

[Cmart]

Yup , 2.2 billion in loans to renewable energy companies will never be paid back , i would argue the successes make up for that and then some ......and then of course there is the 17 billion in annual subsidies to the oil and gas industry.

Throw billions of taxpayer funds around, never mention the failures, take credit for the successful one. Sounds about right.

 

[jrams]

Throw billions of taxpayer funds around, never mention the failures, take credit for the successful one. Sounds about right.

Welcome to investing.

 

[Cmart]

Welcome to investing.

I invest my own money. When I do well I get a return, when I do poorly I have to acknowledge it. So no, if you're giving Obama credit for Tesla, it's not like investing.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Welcome to investing.

Nokia , Nortel and BlackBerry didn't work out to well for me but Apple , Netflix , Marvel , Starbucks etc have worked out pretty well, the property i bought in Alabama flopped miserably but the ones i bought in Coral Gables have me sitting pretty , lose some , win more .

Some focus on the possible negative outcomes but I've always lived by the old sayings , nothing ventured nothing gained and fortune favors the bold.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I invest my own money. When I do well I get a return, when I do poorly I have to acknowledge it. So no, if you're giving Obama credit for Tesla, it's not like investing.

People bring up Solyndra all the time, no one could forget it if they wanted to and you're correct nor should they