Economy Maher: Should People Who Didn't Attend College Subsidize Those Who Did?

[ObamaPhoneLady]

I find it morally objectionable for "dirty jobs" workers like carpenters, welders, oil rig workers etc having to pay for some brainlet's ethnic studies degree or decolonizing fast food franchises theses.
Here's a much more useful solution - no interest loans for STEM degree seekers, the rest can partake in their hobbies of academic activism if they can afford it.

In the system these people are suggesting, no one has a job except the police anyway. There will be no class struggle in the bread lines.

 

[IDL]

Absolutely nothing is stopping that and it is already happening now. It is an epidemic. People with shit degrees who owe a fortune on them.

There is currently a financial decentive, it just isn't enough to stop it. I have to assume it slows it though. Removing that decentive would increase it undoubtedly.

 

[Fawlty]

Doesn't sound like you have a point. Why should lower wage earners in the middle class subsidize the education of people who make more than them? That is his point.

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Nevertheless, since the end of the 20th century, McKinsey has been either directly involved in, or closely associated with, a number of notable scandals.[97] Reuters describes these incidents as indicating "not bad apples, [but] a culture of corruption".[99]

Of course I have a point, and a very clear one. It's that college students should be invested in their education to their ability to do so. The value of universal access to a good education tough shits the very low tax cost to low wage earners. If we want to split out everything into absolute fairness we're going to be here a long ass time. Next you'll scream that people without kids should pay less property tax because it funds schools. Shit road, littered with potholes. Maher is angling here.

 

[IDL]

Today's socialists don't even understand how to implement socialism.

You murder all the intellectuals, land owners, opposing politicians, etc. Not the working class.

You need the working class to pay for all your shit once you and your fellow party members move into all the dead, rich people's houses.

These modern socialists crack me up. What Bernie and AOC don't realize, is after the revolution, the mob comes for them next. Then the biggest, most murderous thug and his personal army take over.

Bernie honestly thinks he will get to be Stalin. No dummy, you will be Lenin. The guy who murders you gets to be Stalin.

it's not necesarily the mob that goes after them next (although it could also be), it's the real financial backers who are using them as useful idiots. Once their purpose of 'overthrowing the system' is accomplished then the financial backers step in, who were never under any illusion that it's all about gaining power. It goes into 'clamp down and get rid of loose ends'.

Once the 'believers' see what has happened and how it turned out horribly wrong, they then become angry and used and start rallying against the new system. Thus they become a liability.

That is how the revolutions really go.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Doesn't sound like he has any point to me, or has even thought about it much, but there could be other unintended negative consequences to free college. I'm more concerned with people not being invested in their education, so I prefer something like Buttigieg's model of free-for-poor, heavy grants and state-partnership subsidies for lower-to-middle class that decrease as you go up. That keeps people invested when they can be invested, and it also basically assures that the door is open for everybody.

I'd rather see something along the lines of merit/need based educational assistance. I would start the bar around 1100+ SAT score and income >180k.

 

[Mike Hagger]

I'd rather see something along the lines of merit/need based educational assistance. I would start the bar around 1100+ SAT score and income >180k.

Merit based and enforced is the only way I would even consider paying for fellow citizens college endeavors. I think the idea sounds great on paper... Paying for college for I suppose, everyone? Nope. Don't like it at all.

 

[franklinstower]

"Let me test your liberalism," Maher said to the 'Real Time' panel. "If you have a bachelor degree you on average earn 65% more than someone who doesn't have one. If you have a master's degree, 100% more over the course of your lifetime. So nothing is free like a free lunch. Nope. Neither is college. Somebody will be paying for this free college and it will be taxpayers."


Nice dodge. Now respond to his point.

It is both of those groups you listed that will be paying for the college. Poor people wont be paying for any of it. The policy pays for itself by producing higher earners.

Look man. Its ok if you don't like the idea. Vote your conscience and I will too.

 

[franklinstower]

I work at blue collar factory where the avg line worker makes 80k. Why should they pay for your liberal arts degree?

I feel you on that man. I would be willing ultimately because of the social benefits but I can understand if you don't want too. This is a policy that I support but have no issue with people who don't.

 

[franklinstower]

Bill Maher is an elitist twat, with very few truly well considered positions.

This is no different.

He is terrible and worse the older he gets IMO.

 

[JonesBones]

It is both of those groups you listed that will be paying for the college. Poor people wont be paying for any of it. The policy pays for itself by producing higher earners.

Look man. Its ok if you don't like the idea. Vote your conscience and I will too.

lol at voting. Maher and you will support similar candidates. Don't worry, he's still heavily on your side, I just occasionally find things I agree with him on. He is a smug prick. He needs his ass kicked. lol. Something tells me he has never gotten his ass kicked.

 

[PHATV]

It is the road construction workers who will be paying and likely didn't go to college.

Exactly. Electricians, plumbers and pipe-fitters, welders, roofers and pavers and everyone else that do all the jobs clueless liberal "degree holders" would die without. None of them should have to pay for college they didn't attend. It's outrageous. Shocked to agree with Bill, but it's happened before more than once, so...

Now if you are getting a STEM degree then your earnings will pay off your loans with the quickness and you have no worries. Physics, mathematics, accounting, engineering, those kind of degrees---ALONG WITH A 3.5 OR BETTER GPA shows you have cerebral abilities.

Fuck all this free college and wiping out debt for people who make stupid decisions or have no business in college, anyway. They can look to the trades or the military to learn one, etc. The college set-up now is to encourage debt and liberal indoctrination, along with a sense of entitlement and little real-world applicable skills.

I talk to people and have for years (over a decade, now) who walk in with $60,000 in debt and a degree in sign language or some other such useless shit. I've actually seen lots of that. I've seen $90,000 and $100,000 on occasion. It was $30,000/$40,000 ten years back and has grown every year. For a completely useless degree. The first house I bought in 2000 was $87,500! It was only 1100 square feet with a single car garage and one bath, but hell, I didn't even pay that off or come close before moving out 5 years later.
When I say "I've seen", these kids (I'm getting old, now) share this with me during conversation. The loans part. I already know what their minor and major is, and I worked for a period where I would sometimes hear about their GPA as well through the hiring process. People don't understand that in corporate America and Fortune 500 companies they consider you every bit as educated and capable as any other HS grad. Because that's what you are. And if your GPA is low, you're going to have a hard time catching on with a good company. Also, they all have social media experts who will investigate you something fierce on there and you will be DQ'd if you posted dumb shit, drug use or too much boozing.
Also, we're now competing globally with everyone and I have seen many, many mathematical hires and too few are from here in the US. Maybe half. The other half from all over, but probably Chinese and African in that order for the top-two. Move to IT (programmers/developers) and India is the top source for that talent aside from the US, in probably equal numbers. Chinese have a strong presence there as well. I don't think today's teens and now 20-somethings realize or realized they would be competing against TENS OF MILLIONS of people studying the basics for hours a day throughout their educational years. On average, we're not even competitive.

Follow the money/salary and pensions that the colleges/faculty are getting, along with everyone else connected with that system and you'll see we don't have a problem with higher education, we have a shortage of folks actually getting a usable education out of it, much less a competitive one. We need to overhaul and focus on the basics again. We're getting our asses kicked by the way we now coddle students from start to finish.

/old man college and college debt rant.

 

[IGIT]

Poor people don't, but a lot of middle-class workers that didnt attend college do.

hello PainIsLife,

of course that's true, PainIsLife.

if you want to get in the weeds on legislation, we can break down each candidates plan to pay for "college for all". they pull from different sources of revenue - and they're rather different from one another.

my main point in this thread is that Mr. Maher and the TS probably don't really understand what they are talking about.

- IGIT

 

[Cooz]

How about we stop funding stupid shit altogether? I think college is overpriced but not stupid. Also think they make you take too many irrelevant courses for a degree in college. Still have no idea why I needed to take a music course to get a degree in Finance/Accounting.

You CHOSE music. You just had to pick an elective in the “arts”.

Having said that. Classes should not cost the same at an institution.

 

[IGIT]

Here's a much more useful solution - no interest loans for STEM degree seekers, the rest can partake in their hobbies of academic activism if they can afford it.

hullo The ScorpioN,

maybe that's the right route to take - though i think a better one would be just to open up immigration and naturalization to all the foreign grad students.

roughly 7 out of 10 graduate students in the STEM fields are from places like India, China, Korea and Turkey.

make it way easier for them to become Americans. they're already demonstrating the desire and the aptitude to advance in these technical fields and they're paying US institutions to teach them.

i'd like to keep their brainpower here, since we've already got their tuition dollars.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

Should all universities be free?

hi HomeCheese,

that's a different question than the ridiculously uninformed one that the TS raised.

Should all universities be free?

you're asking me should NYU be free? where it costs, like, $300,000 to get your degree in acting from the Tisch School of the Arts?

lol.

- IGIT

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I feel you on that man. I would be willing ultimately because of the social benefits but I can understand if you don't want too. This is a policy that I support but have no issue with people who don't.

Honestly, i have 2 soon to be seniors at the house and I get the idea behind it - I just don't like the idea of it.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

hello PainIsLife,

of course that's true, PainIsLife.

if you want to get in the weeds on legislation, we can break down each candidates plan to pay for "college for all". they pull from different sources of revenue - and they're rather different from one another.

my main point in this thread is that Mr. Maher and the TS probably don't really understand what they are talking about.

- IGIT

I didn't take his statement as literally meaning poor people, but rather people who aren't wealthy.

 

[IGIT]

I've went over taxes and who is paying them. I don't talk to people who talk like 6 year old girls and you are a creep if you do.

hmmm.

i don't know how to address you in a way that doesn't cause you to be upset - though in general i think courtesy is the best manner to begin.

i'll try a different tact - one that's hopefully more to your liking.

let us begin again.

Hello you dumb cunt,

"Let me test your liberalism," Maher said to the 'Real Time' panel. "If you have a bachelor degree you on average earn 65% more than someone who doesn't have one. If you have a master's degree, 100% more over the course of your lifetime. So nothing is free like a free lunch. Nope. Neither is college. Somebody will be paying for this free college and it will be taxpayers."

you and Mr. Maher, both dumb motherfuckers, need to pull your heads out of your assholes and think before you speak.

yes, the taxpayers will pay for it. as per Senator Warren, it will be upper middle class families that will be the taxpayers who pony up the bill (you know, the ones that have 50 million plus in net worth).

do you understand, you dumb chunk of shit? do i have to draw you a picture, you goddamn retard???

sincerely,

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

I didn't take his statement as literally meaning poor people, but rather people who aren't wealthy.

hello PainIsLife,

i guess that's possible.

i only referenced poor people because, you know, that was the term that was used in the piece that the TS quoted.

- IGIT

 

[Fatality]

Here's a much more useful solution - no interest loans for STEM degree seekers, the rest can partake in their hobbies of academic activism if they can afford it.

Damn right.