Mackenzie Dern >>> Ronda

[kflo]

Dern is a BJJ artist, not a judo fighter. Ronda was very much NOT a BJJ artist, but you don't need to be the best submission artist in the world to secure armbars if you were started in cross-side with the arm secured on a stunned opponent. Ronda being as good as she was at judo means that position was almost a guarantee for her.

There is no question Dern is much better in the submission grappling department, (Carmouche reversed to Ronda's back and took her neck in seconds, but had no hooks) but Dern's relative lack of takedowns/throws means she has to start her work from much farther back. Dern also has much more power in her hands, but less diversity and volume in her striking. Dern has made strides to look solid and tight in her striking, but has also abandoned technique for looping strikes, which you could either call 'diverse strategy' or 'inconsistency' depending how effective it is at any given time.

But yeah, I'd say their skill is comparable, and that Dern is definitely fighting more skilled opponents, but they do have clear different advantages.

Why do you think dern has more power?

 

[shankmcgank]

Vs.

 

[koquerelle]

Justonce making shit threads. The Heavies will never change.

 

[Phisher]

Well, you might have a few good points, but neither Klitchko would last three rounds with Ali. In fact, I believe he is still by far the GOAT!!

Vitali took bombs from Lewis that stopped elite level HWs and didn't go down.

No way either Klitschko in their primes would get stopped early by Ali.

I suggest that you actually watch these guys fight.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Why do you think dern has more power?

Dern definitely hits harder. She uses power punching. People think looping punches aren't technical, but all power punchers use looping punches. There is a thing called being a technical power puncher and it's knowing when to use those looping shots. Because the angles are different with those shots you mix them in with the straight and tighter shots to change the angle enough to pass the defense/guard/timing/slip/etc. All the top power punchers are technical power punchers in boxing. Even Wilder, he knows when to use his wild shots. He mixes them up with his textbook cross.

 

[PurpleStorm]

So, it was pretty disgusting what people were saying about Ronda at her peak. Like people like Joe Rogan, you know, but I guess they sure changed their tune fast. I mean I'm sure people who will reply to this thread are one of those people too, you know. Talking about how great she was back then, but now she was never good.

Ronda never tapped a fighter above a purple belt in BJJ in MMA. Ashley Yoder whom Dern went to a decision against has higher BJJ than everyone Ronda fought aside from
Nunez who pushed her shit in. By the way, Tate and Zingano a purple belt, so was Carmouche when she fought Ronda.

I think people forget Rogan is just a comedian who got his black belt, just like Ashton Kutcher who will eventually get his black belt too and put too much weight on what he says sometimes.

I think Dern is a way better fighter than Ronda, so is Ribas. Not to mention, these girls are much better looking than Ronda will ever be, if that matters. I just don't get it, there are these great fighters who are better at actual fighting and has better grappling than Ronda but doesn't get half as much hype as Ronda used to.

Yeah, good post.

Ronda brought more popularity and visibility to mixed martial arts and she was really exciting to watch.

Right now Amanda Ribas and Mackenzie Dern are very fun to watch. They may also have higher skill levels. That's how I see it. Fascinating how sports evolve.

Ronda will be remembered as a trailblazer and phenomenon. Just destroying her competition at the time. She was rightfully inducted into the mixed martial arts hall of fame.

Have a good weekend and a happy new year.

 

[Dirge]

Dern has already shown she has power and a solid chin.

If her recent conditioning is any indication she is taking her training very seriously. Her ground game is next level as we all know. If she can improve her striking and takedowns, she will be a threat to anyone.

 

[kenetics]

Alexis David has a Black Belt in BJJ. She had it when she fought Rhonda.

http://fcfighter.com/bjj-black-belt-alexis-davis-sure-she-can-hold-her-own-versus-ronda-rousey/

BB from her husband lol.

 

[Moro]

Alexis David has a Black Belt in BJJ. She had it when she fought Rhonda.

http://fcfighter.com/bjj-black-belt-alexis-davis-sure-she-can-hold-her-own-versus-ronda-rousey/

David

 

[Krushey]

Remember the good times.

Damn.

Still had Burt and Goldie too.

*sniffles*

 

[sabretitan]

Lol pretty disgusting isnt the best way to describe it.. Some mma fans live in a fallacy of hindsight.

 

[JustOnce]

Lol pretty disgusting isnt the best way to describe it.. Some mma fans live in a fallacy of hindsight.

Except it was what it was

 

[Kforcer]

So, it was pretty disgusting what people were saying about Ronda at her peak.

What I find disgusting, if anything, is the way people talked about Ronda after her two losses, dismissing everything she did and all of her perceived abilities as a fighter. It seems as if, for Ronda Rousey, no insult is too much in the eyes of fans and pundits following her fall from the top of the sport.

 

[RicardinhoPT]

Dern has BJJ, Ronda has judo. Both can't strike but Ronda's striking level is levels above Dern's. And Ronda has fought way better opposition. This really shouldn't be a discussion.

Dern wins the ass title though

 

[BFoe]

Ronda would smoke the fuck out of Dern.

 

[7even]

Ronda shadowboxed and her shadow won.

How can you train in striking almost everyday as a professional fighter and not learn to rotate your hips when you throw a cross? How in gods earth did her coach not correct her form after months and years of training her?

 

[Daelh]

Dern has already shown she has power and a solid chin.

If her recent conditioning is any indication she is taking her training very seriously. Her ground game is next level as we all know. If she can improve her striking and takedowns, she will be a threat to anyone.

That only show how damn good Ribas is for handling Dern on the ground. I firmly believe she will be the one dethroning Weili if she has the chin to survive the early onslaught.

 

[kflo]

How can you train in striking almost everyday as a professional fighter and not learn to rotate your hips when you throw a cross? How in gods earth did her coach not correct her form after months and years of training her?

While she looks awful in that clip, for whatever reason, she didn’t always look like that, particularly for wmma (no disrespct to my wmma posse!).

Although I don’t know why she can’t rotate / pivot her left foot on her hooks. Still much better than shadow boxing ronda..

 

[TJ177]

I feel like I've lost the plot on what this thread is about.

Is it :
a) Dern would beat Ronda
b) Dern is more attractive than Ronda
c) Dern should be more popular now than Ronda was then
d) None of the above
e) All of the above

???

It seems like a bunch of different concepts in one thread.

Comparing an undefeated champ at bantamweight with someone who is upper-middle tier at strawweight seems like a weird comparison.

 

[Cindynice420]

So, it was pretty disgusting what people were saying about Ronda at her peak. Like people like Joe Rogan, you know, but I guess they sure changed their tune fast. I mean I'm sure people who will reply to this thread are one of those people too, you know. Talking about how great she was back then, but now she was never good.

Ronda never tapped a fighter above a purple belt in BJJ in MMA. Ashley Yoder whom Dern went to a decision against has higher BJJ than everyone Ronda fought aside from
Nunez who pushed her shit in. By the way, Tate and Zingano a purple belt, so was Carmouche when she fought Ronda.

I think people forget Rogan is just a comedian who got his black belt, just like Ashton Kutcher who will eventually get his black belt too and put too much weight on what he says sometimes.

I think Dern is a way better fighter than Ronda, so is Ribas. Not to mention, these girls are much better looking than Ronda will ever be, if that matters. I just don't get it, there are these great fighters who are better at actual fighting and has better grappling than Ronda but doesn't get half as much hype as Ronda used to.

These girls are shit compared to Ronda