Machida possibly past his prime?

No doubt he's past his prime physically. Still, he's a top level fighter at MW or LHW.

I don't think machida overrated.
 
I have been saying Machida has not impressed me for the last few fights. I kept getting called out by many people on here.


Machida still hasnt impressed me. He is not the 205 LHW champ quality that you all wish he still was.
 
Not yet, no. He has a few more years left. He didn't look slow and he didn't phone it in.
I think he'll have a better game plan next time around.
 
He's definitely getting to that point.

I actually missed the fight on Saturday so I'm not sure if he looked slower or anything than usual, but the short version is that it's only a matter of time and the clock is ticking.
 
machida was a little overrated .. sure, his fans will bring up the rampage and davis fights, but some people think he lost to shogun the first time around, heck even hoger and greco .. maybe even penn ... in the end, he won the title, but his record is about 2-3 in titles fights .. nothing to write home about
 
RyanRAW said:
Rampage later said he re-watched the fight and felt he won 29-28.
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Yep. And he did. The first two rounds, as uneventful as they may have been, clearly belonged to Rampage.

The only argument I've ever heard from those arguing for Machida is Rampage's (retarded) post-fight comment. To hell with Octagon control, effective striking and grappling, 10-9 rounds, etc. Machida fights are scored based on who fighter A felt did more damage apparently.
 
MarkHammer said:
"Possibly"? He's almost 37 years old and looked older the other night than I've ever seen him.
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Hahaha... but let me guess, Anderson is definitely at his prime at the age of 38 with 13 more fights than Machida?

Fuck, Sherdog never fails to amaze me with it's stupidity.
 
rearnakedchoke said:
machida was a little overrated .. sure, his fans will bring up the rampage and davis fights, but some people think he lost to shogun the first time around, heck even hoger and greco .. maybe even penn ... in the end, he won the title, but his record is about 2-3 in titles fights .. nothing to write home about
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The vast majority of people who watched that fight thought Machida lost to Shogun.
 
linvillegorge said:
I saw no sign of Machida being past his prime. He put up a very good fight against a great fighter. There's no shame in that. He looked really good.
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i agree with this. i am not a huge machida fan in any way, but he did what he can do and he did it well. he can still beat the majority of the division. no doubt there
 
Redhawks100 said:
Hahaha... but let me guess, Anderson is definitely at his prime at the age of 38 with 13 more fights than Machida?

Fuck, Sherdog never fails to amaze me with it's stupidity.
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I never said a word about Anderson Silva, troll. And yes, Silva is also clearly past his prime.
 
I believe he is past his prime, but has such tremendous skills that he is able to work past what he has lost physically.
 
He might have lost a step or two, but he's as good as ever. He lost on Saturday because Weidman was better for the first three rounds (and arguably the 5th).

If he was fading he couldn't have won that 4th round in such a fashion. There's still a lot of spark there.

He probably won't be competitive with Weidman in a second fight, however, since it would likely take him a couple of years to earn another shot. By that time he'll be slower and Chris will likely be even better.
 
He's certainly past his physical prime at 36 but given his unique circumstances (still the fastest guy in the division and has taken little damage) theres little reason that he cant add another wrinkle to his game and hit a second wind.
 
Machida's alright. He just had a bad gameplan during the early rounds, which unfortunately cost him.
 
Private Whatley said:
I've thought that Machida has been a tad overrated for a while on these boards but I've always been intrigued by the matchup quandaries his style creates. That said, he's 36, has been fighting for a long long time and he's fluctuated a great deal in weight throughout that time. I agree that he should have been fighting at MW a long time ago as that's the division for which his build is most naturally suited. Nonetheless, he's spent the majority of his career at 205 and has fought as heavy as 230 early in his career.

For my money, prime Roy Jones is the most physically talented fighter I've ever seen yet after his successful HW experiment, we saw a considerably eroded guy in the ring when he came back down to his original weight. Weight fluctuation is a bitch, especially as one gets older. Dan Henderson has stated as much, citing that as the reason why he prefers to fight at LHW as he's gotten older. Machida didn't look bad at all and Weidman is an absolute killer but I'd also venture to say that 2009 Machida is better than the current incarnation. Also, history has shown that older fighters who drop to the lightest weights of their respective careers don't necessarily reap the benefits of the weight cut. This part of my argument is only conjecture though so make of it what you will.

But to reiterate, he's 36 and he's been around for a long long time. While he doesn't get hit all that often, he's still been knocked out cold, busted open, choked unconscious, not to mention he's been training in high impact combat for his entire life. He's old in fight years. He's nowhere near as bad as the BJ that showed up last night and he's certainly not Chuck or Big Nog but I don't think it's crazy to suggest that he might be showing a few more cracks than he once did. I certainly don't think he starches Rashad or Thiago Silva in the same manner if he were to fight them today; he's good enough to still beat them, which is damn impressive mind you, but I don't think he asserts the same level of ownership that he did when he stepped in the cage against those guys. He's still a top guy but he's not a p4p guy nor is he a likely future champ. With all due respect, I think he's at the threshold of the "also-ran" stage of his fighting career. No shame; it happens to everyone who fights long enough.

PS I scored the fight 49-46 Weidman. 1,2,3,5 Weidman, round 4 to Lyoto.
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Machida overated??? Until he fought Shogun, he hadn't lost a round in the UFC!! Machida is still an elite fighter and probably the # 2 ranked MW behind Weidman.

His resume is filled with MMA Legends!! He handed Stephen Bonnar, Rich Franklin(Ex UFC MW Champ), Thiago Silva, and Rashad Evans(Ex UFC LHW Champ) their first losses, all by KO/TKO.

As well as having wins over BJ Penn(Ex UFC LW @ WW Champ), Tito Ortiz(Ex UFC LHW Champ), Randy Couure(Ex UFC LHW & HW Champ), Hendo(EX PRIDE WW & MW Champ Simultaneously), and Gegard Mousasi(Ex Strikeforce LHW Champ).

His only definitive losses have come against Shogun(PRIDE GP & Ex UFC LHW Champ), Jon Jones(Undefeated UFC LHW Champ/LHW GOAT), and Chris Weidman(Undefeated MW Champ).

And even though he lost, Lyoto gave Chris Weidman the toughest fight of his career, and certainly did much better than Anderson Silva(arguably the greatest fighter in MMA history) was able to do against Weidman in 2 fights.

You think that because Machida lost against 1 of the best fighters in the UFC, that he isn't in his prime??? Why??? What exactly did Machida used to do that he is now unable to do???

The difference between Machida and Weidman(besides their age) is that Machida has already fought many, many times against the elites of MMA. Chris really only has had 3 fights against top competition. There isn't that much tape of Weidman to find out all of his weaknesses yet and he has the psychological edge because he's undefeated. That creates an aura around him that gives him a huge advantage. Lyoto had it as well. There was a reason that Joe Rogan said "welcome to the Machida era"... because at that point it was widely believed that he was almost unbeatable, because up until that point nobody was able to even come close. Anderson Silva had that same aura during his reign too!!
 
What? I will bump this thread after his next win. Machida is my favorite fighter, but give Chris his credit, he beat Machida at his best. Machida couldn't deal with a combination of Chris' pressure, and reach.
 
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