Lyoto Machida appreciation thread

[r-harper-1]

Not sure which KO was more brutal the Shogun KO or the USADA KO..

Machida verbally tapped against Usada....get your facts right

 

[theTKDguy]

One of the classiest dudes in mma and a top fighter in his prime.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Sherdog only hates on black guys that get caught ....Jones and Anderson are shit on , but it’s cool for everyone else

Machida verbally tapped against Usada....get your facts right

 

[r-harper-1]

Truth hurts

 

[Adamant]

I was full on the Machida bandwagon back in the day. I rememeber from the very beginning thinking he should get a title shot, but UFC kept not giving it to him. Thankfully they finnaly did. But then sadly his era as a champion never really got going. And before you know it he went from being undefeated to jobbing almost regularly.

I still would like to see him vs Fedor though. I'm sure Belator could make it happen.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Truth hurts

So you are saying Machida turned himself in before getting caught and that TJ Dillashaw didn't receive a ton of hate?

Spoiler

 

[Franklin U.]

The elite poster, who says Shields, Marquardt and Okami were never elite. Elite bias

Stop putting words in my mouth, u snake. Marquadt and Okami , imo , were not elite fighters. I said Shields was an elite grappler and made fun of his stand up. I never said he was or wasn't as a whole.Marquadt was a top tier 185er for a short while when UFC 185 division was rather thin. He probably lost more relevant fights than he won. Okami " pretty much " the same thing. He lost to Rich and Anderson ( really twice)....and then dropped down to welter and he was underwhelming there.

Are u covid positive ,my friend.

Dont compare Nate Marquadt and Yushin Okami or reference them in a Lyoto Machida thread. This is apples and oranges. I think your cerebral deficient when it comes to this whole elite thing.

What I said was and my personal opinion -
When their names are brought up, I do not consider Okami or Marquadt elite fighters.
period. Your entitled to your white belt opinion.

 

[r-harper-1]

So you are saying Machida turned himself in before getting caught and that TJ Dillashaw didn't receive a ton of hate?

Spoiler

TJ didn’t receive much compared to jones and Anderson ....Sherdog wants Roided out of his mind Costa to flatline Izzy ....suspicious

 

[r-harper-1]

Stop putting words in my mouth, u snake. Marquadt and Okami , imo , were not elite fighters. I said Shields was an elite grappler and made fun of his stand up. I never said he was or wasn't as a whole.Marquadt was a top tier 185er for a short while when UFC 185 division was rather thin. He probably lost more relevant fights than he won. Okami " pretty much " the same thing. He lost to Rich and Anderson ( really twice)....and then dropped down to welter and he was underwhelming there.

Are u covid positive ,my friend.

Dont compare Nate Marquadt and Yushin Okami or reference them in a Lyoto Machida thread. This is apples and oranges. I think your cerebral deficient when it comes to this whole elite thing.

What I said was and my personal opinion -
When their names are brought up, I do not consider Okami or Marquadt elite fighters.
period. Your entitled to your white belt opinion.

Okami and Marquardt were good .... but I agree they’re not Elite

 

[BEATDOWNS]

TJ didn’t receive much compared to jones and Anderson ....Sherdog wants Roided out of his mind Costa to flatline Izzy ....suspicious

Yes he did you goof. So Sherdog wants a non white to KO another non white? The only thing suspicious is you flagrant use of the racecard.

i don't have the energy to post it again so

retard alert. gif

 

[r-harper-1]

Yes he did you goof. So Sherdog wants a non white to KO another non white? The only thing suspicious is you flagrant use of the racecard.

i don't have the energy to post it again so

retard alert. gif

Find one of my post when I claim to be intelligent.....you won’t find one

 

[countswagula]

Why is nobody bring up the fact that he got caught by usada ? I thought that sherdoggers hated cheaters ?

The particular substance he got caught for is closer to something like a BCAA ir Creatine than any kind of steroid. When USADA First came into the scene they were handing out some very draconian punishments, nobody would be suspended for more than a few months if they were caught with DHEA or whatever it's called.

That's not to say he wasn't suspiciously athletic for someone in his late 30s in his middleweight run.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I was one of those die-hard fans who thought the Machida era would last forever.

 

[josh345]

It was also very in character for him to hold off on the followup punches.

I really liked the Thiago Silva finish. He was clearly done after that first punch but then he did a follow up shot. They didn’t touch gloves either at the beginning. Did he piss Lyoto off? Haha. I like mean machida.

 

[GBJohn]

I really liked the Thiago Silva finish. He was clearly done after that first punch but then he did a follow up shot. They didn’t touch gloves either at the beginning. Did he piss Lyoto off? Haha. I like mean machida.

Well, Silva really came across as of a jerk, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did something that made Machida want to do that. It was also relatively early in Lyoto's career, he may have just matured.

 

[Franklin U.]

Okami and Marquardt were good .... but I agree they’re not Elite

That response was an extension from another thread. To make it " easy to understand vernacular ", I gave 0kami a 7.4 ranking ( on a scale from 1 -10) as a whole which is rather fair and most knowledgeable fight fans would not only agree but attach the opinion that a " 7.4" would not put u in the elite circle.

The way this cat was going on, youd think I was calling these guys cans. In fact I'm fairly sure I called both solid fighters.

 

[ferrisjso]

This guy is still fighting at 42 years old and still graceful as ever. He just took gegard to a decision which in and of itself is very impressive for any fighter let alone a guy on the north side of 40.

If you look at his career and see the names of the guys he beat its very impressive.

shad
franklin
randy
bader
hendo
gegard
vitor
chael

3 questionable fights
I would say he lost the first rua fight
conversely I would say he 100% won the rampage fight and the phil davis fight. Both of those were terrible decisions imo.

To be honest fighting at 42's nothing special anymore specially with his style, far less talented fighters like Tito are doing it quite fine. I honestly think he was the best fighter in the world for a good several years he's STILL 2 on my all time LHW list and not far off the goat goat list either. I think Davis won that fight but Machida clearly bailed on the division cause he wasn't getting another title shot(oh him crushing the Mousasi fan boys delusionals was a BEAUTIFUL thing) and I still don't really know how a fight between Machida and Gus, Rumble and co plays out. This is despite massive size difference that din't exist when he was around.

That list isn't all bad there's some good fighters but I don't feel that's a really impressive list. Some of his wins and losses were coin flip decisions(Rampage and Hendo) that there's no correct answer to. Think he would have been far better tbh if he'd lost that first Shogun fight and hadn't been peer pressured into kamizaying the way he did cause his goal was getting a finish rather than waiting for him which had worked so well for him.

That just sent a chain of events in motion that destroyed his career, if he hadn't had to wait to fight Shogun the division could have kept on rolling for quite a while before Jones took his probably inevitable jump to immortality. Jones is the GOAT but in this sport typically anything under 30 is a kid and it's disrespectful to say knowing what we do now, but he got that shot cause no in that division could stay healthy. People talk about Tony v Khabib like that shit's never happened before but from 2009 to 2012 someone in pretty much EVERY SINGLE LHW title fight had to pull out. The Machida era wasn't actually short in terms of literal time the fights just never happened(I now Rampage could say that to but he was usually the one at fault if there was someone at fault) for a good several year stretch that division was in limbo cause no one could avoid injuries.

It's why I'm so pissed at Dana having the audacity to be mad over UFC 151 when he was used to that shit happening not just something but pretty much EVERY FUCKING TIME. You don't get to act like something's a surprise when it always happens.

Not saying he could beat Jones(was mentioning other people who I think he would give problems to), but I get why people still wanted to see the rematch after Jones almost killed him. Machida is a superior version of AS IMO who doesn't start break dancing in the middle of fights and only needs the slighest opening to make shit happen. I know we underrated Bader at the time cause Tito was(unfairly but with good reason) a puncline but I don't believe age or any improvements Bader had made to his game changes that matchup(he got caught by a lucky sub, Tito almost caught Shad with the same shit next fight and he was no.1 contender at the time).

Toughest fighter in Bader's division(Davis) can beat you and hurt you lots ways and is a better athlete on almost every way you could measure that, but you can be sure he can't do that.

I know I'm going to get shit for this think he'd find a way to put Izzy to sleep. Do you really think if Gastelum almost did it when he was out of breath that Machida couldn't?

 

[r-harper-1]

That response was an extension from another thread. To make it " easy to understand vernacular ", I gave 0kami a 7.4 ranking ( on a scale from 1 -10) as a whole which is rather fair and most knowledgeable fight fans would not only agree but attach the opinion that a " 7.4" would not put u in the elite circle.

The way this cat was going on, youd think I was calling these guys cans. In fact I'm fairly sure I called both solid fighters.

7.4 /10 seems fair imo

 

[Stagliano]

As I already said, it was in a supplement he was taking.

And we are talking about the same retarded organization that allows Jones to openly juice for the rest of his career. A lot of what they do doesn't make sense.

But how do we know that he didn't know what there were in that supplement. You also said that DHEA didn't do anything which is clearly false.

 

[Franklin U.]

7.4 /10 seems fair imo

Excactly.