Lyoto is a prime example of MMA black belts

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There are legit black belts out there
Lyoto and a lot more just aren't thou
It seems like if you train MMA, you get belts at jiu jitsu WAY faster. Maybe it serves to intimidate the opponent, build a resume or whatever. But I've never seen lyoto do anything similar to what a black belt should, he has no idea what to do with anders legs lol
 
So tell me who is winning?
 
miro333 said:
that explain's loss of reflexes, chin, stamina, etc
but not bad jiu jitsu
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Speed and people forget the main factor of you know, getting punched and elbowed in mma.
 
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I don't know who is going to win this fight but that screaming woman is a loss for everyone...
 
Mga223 said:
Speed and people forget the main factor of you know, getting punched and elbowed in mma.
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yes, but lyoto started training jiu jitsu at 16
let alone that he could've adapted his jiu jitsu to MMA during his long career
doing damage from the guard and passing it is a MUST learn, especially black belt level
 
miro333 said:
There are legit black belts out there
Lyoto and a lot more just aren't thou
It seems like if you train MMA, you get belts at jiu jitsu WAY faster. Maybe it serves to intimidate the opponent, build a resume or whatever. But I've never seen lyoto do anything similar to what a black belt should, he has no idea what to do with anders legs lol
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Like I keep saying, if I don't see it in the Octagon, then you are not a black belt. LOL
 
miro333 said:
yes, but lyoto started training jiu jitsu at 16
let alone that he could've adapted his jiu jitsu to MMA during his long career
doing damage from the guard and passing it is a MUST learn, especially black belt level
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Yea I agree he isn't BB level just adding in there are a few other aspects.

I mean Machida was always touted as a dude who had a better ground than his striking (when he was untouchable).

So seeing him actually try and use it and it below par is a bit of wolf tickets.
 
Lyoto has been training BJJ for 23 years.
Black belt is the bare minimum ranking he would have. He's probably 2nd degree at this stage of his career.
 
Franc Mittelo said:
Like I keep saying, if I don't see it in the Octagon, then you are not a black belt. LOL
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true, adaptation is a problem for jiu jitsu guys
but usually in those I see them faulter when they need to take the other fighter down, struggle with the gloves, get elbowed or simply cant develop significant strikes.
In Lyoto's ground game I really cant see ANY initiative, even if it would be non-optimal for MMA.
 
miro333 said:
There are legit black belts out there
Lyoto and a lot more just aren't thou
It seems like if you train MMA, you get belts at jiu jitsu WAY faster. Maybe it serves to intimidate the opponent, build a resume or whatever. But I've never seen lyoto do anything similar to what a black belt should, he has no idea what to do with anders legs lol
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You should probably watch him in his prime. It's just too easy to criticize a fighter on a inevitable decline. He's a legend bit it's inevitable.
 
Arete9 said:
You should probably watch him in his prime. It's just too easy to criticize a fighter on a inevitable decline.
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from the top of my head I can only remember when he almost got triangle choked by Tito and arm triangled sokoudjou (which isnt that big of a feat)
can you quote me with dates of material?
 
miro333 said:
There are legit black belts out there
Lyoto and a lot more just aren't thou
It seems like if you train MMA, you get belts at jiu jitsu WAY faster. Maybe it serves to intimidate the opponent, build a resume or whatever. But I've never seen lyoto do anything similar to what a black belt should, he has no idea what to do with anders legs lol
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Damian Maia is a true BJJ black belt, I do doubt some of the other “black belts” out there, but there is something to be said about “practice makes perfect”


I think most black belts earn their BJJ belts then return to their areas of comfort, while letting their BJJ skills get rusty.
 
Paladin said:
Damian Maia is a true BJJ black belt, I do doubt some of the other “black belts” out there, but there is something to be said about “practice makes perfect”


I think most black belts earn their BJJ belts then return to their areas of comfort, while letting their BJJ skills get rusty.
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Yep. Totally agree. To some it's a boyscout badge that's used as a resume builder. Also, it's about mindset. A lot more fighters could do what Maia does if they committed to the strategy.

I think a big part of it is the gyms, and their coaching staffs that create stock game-plans for their fighters. There has become this conventional way of doing things in MMA that revolves around not advancing on the ground. It's always look to punch, try and get back up, or just maintain a particular position to control the round. There's a lack of commitment to dissecting your opponent on the ground, and giving you the quickest opportunity to end the fight.

Sure it still happens all the time, but it seems to happen less than it should.

The number of fighters who refuse to go for full back control when they have clear opportunities to do so, is one of the most puzzling things to see from any level of MMA fighter.
 
You can get a black belt just training gi jiujitsu for 8 to 10 years. Machida has been doing it much longer. A belt simply means you have practiced the art for x amount of times. Also no gi is a different animal and in general doesn't award belts. Lastly getting punched in the face and having a karate base generally means your instincts are going to be different. Has nothing to do with him being Black belt level

Edit I know a lot of schools test but Gracie Barra doesn't generally do testing and let's the instructor award based on skill. Source: me a purple belt who would probably lose to most good blue belts.
 
Paladin said:
Damian Maia is a true BJJ black belt, I do doubt some of the other “black belts” out there, but there is something to be said about “practice makes perfect”


I think most black belts earn their BJJ belts then return to their areas of comfort, while letting their BJJ skills get rusty.
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Demian is a 5th degree black belt and arguably one of the greatest teachers in the sport of bjj.
If you consider him the standard for what a bjj black belt looks like, your bar is too high.
 
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