Media Luke Thomas breaks down Dana White's comments about the UFC rankings

[svmr_db]

cliffs

- Dana's argument that Khalil Rountree should go up in rankings because he did well vs Pereira prior to getting knocked out is not a convincing argument
- Luke defines the purpose of the rankings (pointing to boxing which MMA copied the structure from) is to "establish queue for who deserves a title shot based off merit"
- Rankings / ratings "must be based solely on win/loss records, level of competition and activity."
- Cites Al Iaquinta raising from #11 to #10 over months as a rare example of a losing fighter's rank increasing due to exceeding expectations vs higher ranked opponent (in his dominant decision loss to Khabib Nurmagemodov in 2018)
- Luke could not find an example of there being outrage when a fighter's rank did not increase after a KO loss
- Rountree may have performed better than Prochazka, Hill did vs Pereira but ultimately they all suffered the same fate
- Prochazka & Hill are not ranked higher than him due to how they performed vs Pereira, but their total body of work, being former champions and overall better achievements in the weight class
- Arguing Rountree should go from #8 to #5 after getting knocked out is insane & nonsensical
- Not losing his current ranking or getting a top 5 opponent next would be an acceptable consolation prize

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think the main issue with rankings is what happens in the case of a robbery. If #10 loses to #2 in a robbery should they stay at #10?

 

[koa pomaikai]

I think the main issue with rankings is what happens in the case of a robbery. If #10 loses to #2 in a robbery should they stay at #10?

Can’t officially recognize robberies. The judges decision is final. If the rankings recognize robberies, all kinds of chaos would be unleashed, we’d have judges judging the judges.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Can’t officially recognize robberies. The judges decision is final. If the rankings recognize robberies, all kinds of chaos would be unleashed, we’d have judges judging the judges.

Fine by me.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

this is why i don't like talking heads. you just summed up everything he was going to say in a 20min video, in a 2min synopsis.

not only that, the things he's pointing out should be blatantly obvious to everyone. Dana is just being Dana. if Luke made a video about every bullshit thing Dana has said he'd have a never ending stream of content.

 

[sdpdude9]

There needs to be transparent, defined rules to how one moves through the rankings. What the rules may be, is a whole other debate though. Allowing the promotion to decide on their is definitely not going to lead to fair rankings though.

 

[svmr_db]

this is why i don't like talking heads. you just summed up everything he was going to say in a 20min video, in a 2min synopsis.

not only that, the things he's pointing out should be blatantly obvious to everyone. Dana is just being Dana. if Luke made a video about every bullshit thing Dana has said he'd have a never ending stream of content.

That's just a brief highlight of what he said. I'm sure you could summarize a lot of short conversations, school lectures etc down to the essentials like that as well.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

That's just a brief highlight of what he said. I'm sure you could summarize a lot of short conversations, school lectures etc down to the essentials like that as well.

sure but it's the most important parts, so thank you.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

That's just a brief highlight of what he said. I'm sure you could summarize a lot of short conversations, school lectures etc down to the essentials like that as well.

This is why I hated college. Just give me a pamphlet and my degree

 

[humdizzle]

luke should stick to teaching us how to pronounce fighter names

 

[PaddyO'malley]

#PowerSlap bases it off how Dana n slap brassdem tink dem would perform instead of scrap records like basically dem say "yo di yute James only had 2 scraps but bro legit prolly whoop #7 AZZ definitely number 5 too let's put him at no. 4 n swap 5 n 7 yeah?" "Ya fam agreed "

Ting unconventional but works well

 

[TITS]

 

[NicholasJBasile]

cliffs

- Dana's argument that Khalil Rountree should go up in rankings because he did well vs Pereira prior to getting knocked out is not a convincing argument
- Luke defines the purpose of the rankings (pointing to boxing which MMA copied the structure from) is to "establish queue for who deserves a title shot based off merit"
- Rankings / ratings "must be based solely on win/loss records, level of competition and activity."
- Cites Al Iaquinta raising from #11 to #10 over months as a rare example of a losing fighter's rank increasing due to exceeding expectations vs higher ranked opponent (in his dominant decision loss to Khabib Nurmagemodov in 2018)
- Luke could not find an example of there being outrage when a fighter's rank did not increase after a KO loss
- Rountree may have performed better than Prochazka, Hill did vs Pereira but ultimately they all suffered the same fate
- Prochazka & Hill are not ranked higher than him due to how they performed vs Pereira, but their total body of work, being former champions and overall better achievements in the weight class
- Arguing Rountree should go from #8 to #5 after getting knocked out is insane & nonsensical
- Not losing his current ranking or getting a top 5 opponent next would be an acceptable consolation prize

I agree with Luke -- ranking Khalil higher to me seems too subjective

 

[Dr Fong]

this is why i don't like talking heads. you just summed up everything he was going to say in a 20min video, in a 2min synopsis.

not only that, the things he's pointing out should be blatantly obvious to everyone. Dana is just being Dana. if Luke made a video about every bullshit thing Dana has said he'd have a never ending stream of content.

This is quintessential Luke Thomas - constantly treating obvious bad faith actors in good faith even when 'debunking' them, thus giving them credibility.

He treats Dana's hissy fit at the already heavily manipulated UFC rankings just not being manipulated enough for his liking as if either is coherent or based on consistent principles.

So he's not even stating the obvious - the obvious would be to state that nothing a lying, wife beating cunt says should be taken as a credible argument.

 

[PeterGriffin]

He's a real master of the obvious.

 

[El Fernas]

I agree with Luke -- ranking Khalil higher to me seems too subjective

Rankings are subjective, its based off the opinions of some "media experts" or whoever they are, the UFC has moved up fighters prior to a fight when they want to make a fighter appear more deserving of a fight, took them forever to drop Conor Mcgregor

 

[blaseblase]

I think the main issue with rankings is what happens in the case of a robbery. If #10 loses to #2 in a robbery should they stay at #10?

Didn't that happen with Aldo v Moraes? I didn't feel that fight was a robbery but the UFC did so they just ignored the win and gave Aldo a title shot.

 

[Khaosan]

Luke “ACHKTUALLY” Thomas

 

[swarrrm]

Something needs to be done about inactivity and rank squatting first. Colby is 3-3 in the last 6 years and his wins are against guys who retired shortly after, and he's #6. Stipe's last fight was 3 and a half years ago where he was melted by Francis, yet he's still top 10 at #8.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

Rankings are subjective, its based off the opinions of some "media experts" or whoever they are, the UFC has moved up fighters prior to a fight when they want to make a fighter appear more deserving of a fight, took them forever to drop Conor Mcgregor

Very true I guess