Lowest weight class that could produce the greatest ever?

Casual and kind of strange take. When did you start watching mma / sports?
 
I honestly think the whole P4P argument is dumb. Flyweight MMA and heavyweight MMA are practically different sports. The smaller guys are just so much faster and generally overall more athletic but the bigger guys are so much more powerful. How do you compare the two? Yeah, the big guy would destroy the little guy if he took his power to the lower weight but the blittle guy would destroy the big guy if he took his speed to the heavier weight. The point is that they can't so why bother arguing about it?
 
JBJ was here said:
All love to MM, but there isn't and never has been enough talent at FLW for him to be GOAT, and his foray to BW didn't particularly count in his favor. There could be a BW goat in theory, but FW is as low as is a realistic possibility. In the current environment, LW and WW are the best chances to produce a GOAT.
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LOL

Mightymouse has beaten

Benividez x2, who is real because even after johnson left, He fought for the FLW title twice and also beat Cejudo
Dodson x2 Who is real because his only losses at Flyweight are to johnson.
Horiguchi, Who as we all saw recently is an incredibly talented fighter. went on a 13 fight winstreak AFTER losing to johnson
Henry Cejudo, Who mighty mouse finished, and when mighty mouse lost to him it was a highly contested split decision that cejudo should have probably lost.

That's 6 very high quality wins, and one very high quality loss.

lets go over the other title defenses Quick

Borg: Dominated with amazing finish (zero rounds lost)
Reis: Dominated with finish (Zero rounds lost)
Elliot: Dominated (1 round lost, Armbar Opportunity)
Cariaso: Dominated with finish (zero rounds lost)
Bagautinov: Dominated (zero rounds lost AND Popped for EPO)
Moraga: Dominated with finish (zero rounds lost)

None of thse guys that are his lesser competition had any true success against him. Every single one of them got completely and utterly destroyed (I acknowledge elliot had just one moment early in his fight with johnson). Mighty mouse has never made a bad opponent look good. Even Jones Made smith, santos and reyes look good in defeat despite them all being Mediocre LHWS. When mighty mouse fights a "can" They look like a can the entire fight.
 
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BroScienceTalkatWork said:
You’re missing the point of the thread my dude

It’s not about what I think —- it’s about the overall consensus. Fuck my opinion… but fans clearly value heavier weight classes. P4P rankings reflect that
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You seem to be confusing the P4P #1 with the "baddest man on the planet". While a flyweight being #1 P4P is totally legit, anyone below middleweight being called baddest man on the planet is just dumb.
 
If you're immediately discounting the lower weight classes, then you're discounting the most skilled divisions in favor of "Oh, big guy fall down." The smaller guys have quicker reaction times. They're typically more technical. Hell, they're also significantly less likely to gas. Even the arguable LHW GOAT in Jones had a glaring hole in his boxing and little power in his hands. Anderson got complacent on the feet and let himself get taken down or hit at times. There really is no consistent HW GOAT.
 
RockyLockridge said:
LOL

Mightymouse has beaten

Benividez x2, who is real because even after johnson left, He fought for the FLW title twice and also beat Cejudo
Dodson x2 Who is real because his only losses at Flyweight are to johnson.
Horiguchi, Who as we all saw recently is an incredibly talented fighter. went on a 13 fight winstreak AFTER losing to johnson
Henry Cejudo, Who mighty mouse finished, and when mighty mouse lost to him it was a highly contested split decision that cejudo should have probably lost.

That's 6 very high quality wins, and one very high quality loss.

lets go over the other title defenses Quick

Borg: Dominated with amazing finish (zero rounds lost)
Reis: Dominated with finish (Zero rounds lost)
Elliot: Dominated (1 round lost, Armbar Opportunity)
Cariaso: Dominated with finish (zero rounds lost)
Bagautinov: Dominated (zero rounds lost AND Popped for EPO)
Moraga: Dominated with finish (zero rounds lost)

None of thse guys that are his lesser competition had any true success against him. Every single one of them got completely and utterly destroyed (I acknowledge elliot had just one moment early in his fight with johnson). Mighty mouse has never made a bad opponent look good. Even Jones Made smith, santos and reyes look good in defeat despite them all being Mediocre LHWS. When mighty mouse fights a "can" They look like a can the entire fight.
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His wins against Adriano Moraes in One FC are also often overlooked and very legit
 
jeff7b9 said:
Fedor had a middleweight frame and height and went to heavyweight on pure fearless will and ice cream to dominate the deepest HW division where steroids were encouraged.



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you know if steroids were encouraged that would infer he did steroids also right? being fat doesnt mean you do not do steroids (see josh barnett, who fedor did not even get to fight)

pride probably did not have the 'deepest' HW division ever, and even if it did, most of those notable guys were not bigger than fedor.

coleman, crocop, and nogueira were by far the best guys he fought in pride, and they are not exactly giant heavyweights. fedor probably weighted more than them.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
you know if steroids were encouraged that would infer he did steroids also right? being fat doesnt mean you do not do steroids (see josh barnett, who fedor did not even get to fight)

pride probably did not have the 'deepest' HW division ever, and even if it did, most of those guys were not bigger than fedor.
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Doctor Grudge said:
you know if steroids were encouraged that would infer he did steroids also right? being fat doesnt mean you do not do steroids (see josh barnett, who fedor did not even get to fight)

pride probably did not have the 'deepest' HW division ever, and even if it did, most of those notable guys were not bigger than fedor.

coleman, crocop, and nogueira were by far the best guys he fought in pride, and they are not exactly giant heavyweights. fedor probably weighted more than them.
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Even if that was the case, he was fighting on an even playing field.
 
You discredit guys like Johnson because he's small. Are you sure you aren't trying to argue what's the smallest fighter than could beat anyone of any size?

This is a weird and convoluted thread.
 
If you meant, like a guy that could beat everyone, then its MW at best, LHW´s are basically HW´s and some have competed in both divisions, Pereira is the best example maybe cause he was HUGE for MW and seems big enough to cause issues to HW´s, but thats 8th grade talk tho.

The "greatest ever" its about skills, and Demetrious Johnson is as good as a fighter can be at the lower weight classes.
 
JBJ was here said:
All love to MM, but there isn't and never has been enough talent at FLW for him to be GOAT, and his foray to BW didn't particularly count in his favor. There could be a BW goat in theory, but FW is as low as is a realistic possibility. In the current environment, LW and WW are the best chances to produce a GOAT.
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There it is. That’s the argument against flyweight


I don’t think it’s fair to discredit smaller fighters , but I also don’t ever ever watch Flyweight. I don’t find it entertaining And now you’ve kinda swayed me against flyweights

Cause yeah. Goat means the highest level athlete and most skilled competitor in the sport


if only 10% of the population could ever be a healthy 125er… then we just don’t know how your skills compare to fighters in more talent saturated weight classes


Finally… most importantly.. remember that technically anyone could fight at heavyweight. It’s not as if Islam couldn’t fight at heavyweight. He’d make weight. He’d just get his head taken off

Baddest man on the planet counts for something.
 
JBJ was here said:
All love to MM, but there isn't and never has been enough talent at FLW for him to be GOAT, and his foray to BW didn't particularly count in his favor. There could be a BW goat in theory, but FW is as low as is a realistic possibility. In the current environment, LW and WW are the best chances to produce a GOAT.
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There it is. That’s the argument against flyweight


I don’t think it’s fair to discredit smaller fighters , but I also don’t ever ever watch Flyweight. I don’t find it entertaining And now you’ve kinda swayed me against that notion a flyweight goat

Cause yeah. Goat means the highest level athlete and most skilled competitor in the sport


if only 10% of the population could ever be a healthy 125er… then we just don’t know how your skills compare to fighters in more talent saturated weight classes


Finally… most importantly.. remember that technically anyone could fight at heavyweight. It’s not as if Islam couldn’t fight at heavyweight. He’d make weight. He’d just get his head taken off

That counts for something he may. Especially when you talking about guys like Fedor who absolutely could’ve fought middleweight
 
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