Lorenzo destroying FPWs (Fighter Pay Warriors)

[rjmbrd]

Just did the numbers myself and factored in every active Heavyweight on the roster. The average age came to: '32.421052631579'

I'll call you the liar since you're the one spouting the number. You're outside two years, so please delete your account.

TOP 15
1 Cain Velasquez 33
2 Stipe Miocic 33
3 Alistair Overeem 35
4 Junior Dos Santos 32
5 Andrei Arlovski 37
6 Ben Rothwell 34
7 Travis Browne 33
8 Mark Hunt 42
9 Josh Barnett 38
10 Roy Nelson 39
11 Frank Mir 36
12 Antonio Silva 36
13 Derrick Lewis 31
14 Ruslan Magomedov 29
15 Alexey Oliynyk 38


AVERAGE 35.0667

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ALL FIGHTERS AT HW
COUNTRY FIGHTER AGE

USA Frank Mir 36

BRA Gabriel Gonzaga 36

BLR Andrei Arlovski 37

NED Stefan Struve 28

USA Roy Nelson 39

BRA Junior Dos Santos 32

USA Cain Velasquez 33

USA Travis Browne 33

USA Josh Barnett** 38

NZL Mark Hunt 42

BRA Fabrício Werdum** (C) 38

USA Stipe Miočić 33

USA Ben Rothwell 34

BRA Antônio Silva** 36

NED Alistair Overeem** 35

USA Derrick Lewis 31

USA Todd Duffee 30

POL Daniel Omielańczuk 33

USA Anthony Hamilton 36

USA Walt Harris 32

RUS Ruslan Magomedov 29

USA Timothy Johnson 31

CZE Viktor Pešta 25

CMR Francis Ngannou 29

RUS Oleksiy Oliynyk 38

RUS Shamil Abdurakhimov 34

POL Damian Grabowski 35

RUS Bilyal Makhov 28

Jarjis Danho 32

Bojan Mihajlović 36


AVERAGE 33.63333


If you exclude heavyweights who have not fought a single time in the UFC, the entire average of 33.3 floats back up towards 35.



Go ahead and see yourself out.

 

[Coolidge]

No one is sitting on the sidelines thinking, if only the UFC paid me $5-10M I'd get punched in the face for a living.

UFC is paying $10M+ to fighters now that are worth it... but you need to prove your worth first.

Exactly. What the Diaz fan doesn't quite grasp is that sports like basketball and football are ingrained into the culture. Little kids in urban communities (which is where most of the talent is pulled from) are introduced to these sports as toddlers. They grow up aspiring to be ball players, because those images are all around them. The most important factor is that their schools actual offer basketball and football programs. There is no such thing with MMA. Of course, those sports are going to attract a younger generation.

 

[Rational Poster]

So are live gate sales and ppv sales. Rory made 58k for a title fight, so no, they aren't paying fighters more. Only a handful of fighters are paid fairly.

Miesha was making something like 160k in sponsorships per fight, now she gets like 15k Reebok money. Total bs

That's Rory's fault.

I am almost certain I know what happened there.

Rory is overconfident, thinking he's GSP incarnate and signs the first deal that the UFC put on the table expecting to just walk in and win the title after signing the contract. There was no back and forth, he took the first thing the UFC offered.

He fell short and now he's butt hurt because he didn't get to negotiate a champion's contract.


UFC uses this tactic on everyone and the hubris of fighters and their teams gets them all falling for it.

 

[Coolidge]

TOP 15
1 Cain Velasquez 33
2 Stipe Miocic 33
3 Alistair Overeem 35
4 Junior Dos Santos 32
5 Andrei Arlovski 37
6 Ben Rothwell 34
7 Travis Browne 33
8 Mark Hunt 42
9 Josh Barnett 38
10 Roy Nelson 39
11 Frank Mir 36
12 Antonio Silva 36
13 Derrick Lewis 31
14 Ruslan Magomedov 29
15 Alexey Oliynyk 38


AVERAGE 35.0667

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ALL FIGHTERS AT HW
COUNTRY FIGHTER AGE

USA Frank Mir 36

BRA Gabriel Gonzaga 36

BLR Andrei Arlovski 37

NED Stefan Struve 28

USA Roy Nelson 39

BRA Junior Dos Santos 32

USA Cain Velasquez 33

USA Travis Browne 33

USA Josh Barnett** 38

NZL Mark Hunt 42

BRA Fabrício Werdum** (C) 38

USA Stipe Miočić 33

USA Ben Rothwell 34

BRA Antônio Silva** 36

NED Alistair Overeem** 35

USA Derrick Lewis 31

USA Todd Duffee 30

POL Daniel Omielańczuk 33

USA Anthony Hamilton 36

USA Walt Harris 32

RUS Ruslan Magomedov 29

USA Timothy Johnson 31

CZE Viktor Pešta 25

CMR Francis Ngannou 29

RUS Oleksiy Oliynyk 38

RUS Shamil Abdurakhimov 34

POL Damian Grabowski 35

RUS Bilyal Makhov 28

Jarjis Danho 32

Bojan Mihajlović 36


AVERAGE 33.63333


If you exclude heavyweights who have not fought a single time in the UFC, the entire average of 33.3 floats back up towards 35.



Go ahead and see yourself out.

Your original figure was 35 and that was for the entire roster. Now you're trying to pretend that it only reflects the top 15. As for your 33 figure, I'll have to check your numbers, because we know you're intellectually dishonest. But either way, your '35' claim was inaccurate.

 

[rjmbrd]

Ya, it involves a lot more than a brand new stadium. The Chargers also wanted $500 million worth of prime real estate 'donated' to them by the city to build the thing on as well.

Honestly I think (read: hope) the internet age will shine a light on these dealings. Previously the average Joe wasn't aware of what was going on.... different story now.

 

[rjmbrd]

Your original figure was 35 and that was for the entire roster. Now you're trying to pretend that it only reflects the top 15. As for your 33 figure, I'll have to check your numbers, because we know you're intellectually dishonest. But either way, your '35' claim was inaccurate.

That was from December 2015, and I verbatim said a swing of +/- two years.

It is literally impossible to say with exact accuracy the average age unless you calculate it at the very moment - because Zuffa contracts and cuts fighters.

Further, the top 15 zero'd out exactly to 35.

If you think 33.X is materially different than 35.X, go with that story.

It just proves what a ding-dong you are.


See yourself out, you've posted enough this month.

 

[Coolidge]

If you exclude heavyweights who have not fought a single time in the UFC, the entire average of 33.3 floats back up towards 35.

I overlooked this. You're such a weasel. The discussion was over signed UFC fighters. You can't exclude someone simply because they haven't had a fight yet.

 

[Coolidge]

It is literally impossible to say with exact accuracy the average age unless you calculate it at the very moment - because Zuffa contracts and cuts fighters.
.

Genius, that's the entire idea. You actually calculate the numbers before spouting off. You don't depend on outdated information.

 

[Filthymaggot]

That's Rory's fault.

I am almost certain I know what happened there.

Rory is overconfident, thinking he's GSP incarnate and signs the first deal that the UFC put on the table expecting to just walk in and win the title after signing the contract. There was no back and forth, he took the first thing the UFC offered.

He fell short and now he's butt hurt because he didn't get to negotiate a champion's contract.


UFC uses this tactic on everyone and the hubris of fighters and their teams gets them all falling for it.

I agree to an extent. I think everybody would agree the Reebok deal destroyed the abilities of most fighters to receive a large increase in pay due to received sponsorships, and the UFC got a percentage of that too, so it definitely wasn't hurting them.

Really, until fighters man up and unionize they are going to continue getting raw deals.

 

[rjmbrd]

I overlooked this. You're such a weasel. The discussion was over signed UFC fighters. You can't exclude someone simply because they haven't had a fight yet.

The study was from December 2015. It is common sense cutting and contracting new fighters in the last few months will alter the average (up or down) since the study was made, with fighters who haven't fought yet.

I imagine you cut lawns for a living.

The average age of the top 15 UFC heavyweights is 35+

The average age of all UFC heavyweights, including those who have not yet fought is 33+


Now look in the mirror and say geriatric fighters are the best fighters. Then call your self a ding dong who's posted 1,000+ times in their first month.

It's gotten boring rolling you up like tinfoil.

Cheers!

 

[Rational Poster]

I agree to an extent. I think everybody would agree the Reebok deal destroyed the abilities of most fighters to receive a large increase in pay due to received sponsorships, and the UFC got a percentage of that too, so it definitely wasn't hurting them.

Really, until fighters man up and unionize they are going to continue getting raw deals.

There will never be a union in combat sports.

Fighters don't need sponsors. If fighters are worth sponsoring they'll still be sponsored regardless of the Reebok deal. The fighters only have value when FOX is willing to give up their advertising real estate for free. They didn't earn the sponsor dollars in the first place, FOX did.

The UFC will pay to keep the fighters worth it happy. If they're not willing to accept the pay UFC is offering they're free to go to Bellator. UFC is not obligated to provide free advertising space to every fighter on the roster.

 

[Coolidge]

The study was from December 2015. It is common sense cutting and contracting new fighters in the last few months will alter the average (up or down) since the study was made, with fighters who haven't fought yet.

I imagine you cut lawns for a living.

Genius, it's common sense that you would've used an up to date study. You didn't actually cite the date until after your figure was proven inaccurate. You're not that sly.

I looked over your list and it was immediately obvious to me that it was inaccurate. For one, your list appears to be missing fighters, namely Chris De La Rocha. Who knows what else is wrong with it.

 

[Filthymaggot]

There will never be a union in combat sports.

Fighters don't need sponsors. If fighters are worth sponsoring they'll still be sponsored regardless of the Reebok deal. The fighters only have value when FOX is willing to give up their advertising real estate for free. They didn't earn the sponsor dollars in the first place, FOX did.

The UFC will pay to keep the fighters worth it happy. If they're not willing to accept the pay UFC is offering they're free to go to Bellator. UFC is not obligated to provide free advertising space to every fighter on the roster.

Maybe you missed the part where the UFC was also payed a fee for the sponsorships that the fighters accepted? They were making money off of fighters sponsors. It wasn't "free advertising" at all. It was literally free money for the UFC.

But then they took the Reebok deal and fighters salaries were more than cut in half because of lost revenue due to sponsorship losses.

You're missing my point and arguing semantics bud.

 

[Rational Poster]

Maybe you missed the part where the UFC was also payed a fee for the sponsorships that the fighters accepted? They were making money off of fighters sponsors. It wasn't "free advertising" at all. It was literally free money for the UFC.

But then they took the Reebok deal and fighters salaries were more than cut in half because of lost revenue due to sponsorship losses.

You're missing my point and arguing semantics bud.

Maybe you missed the point where the sponsor tax paled in comparison to the value of advertising received?

$50-100K a year for dozens if not hundreds of hours of advertising on FOX networks.

Seems like a no brainer deal to me as a sponsor.

$100K for hours of advertising on FOX for a whole year taking advantage of fighters signed to the UFC or going direct to FOX and paying retail which is $50-300K per 30 seconds depending on the network and time slot.

 

[rjmbrd]

Genius, it's common sense that you would've used an up to date study. You didn't actually cite the date until after your figure was proven inaccurate. You're not that sly.

I looked over your list and it was immediately obvious to me that it was inaccurate. For one, your list appears to be missing fighters, namely Chris De La Rocha. Who knows what else is wrong with it.

Chris De La Rocha has no page on Wikipedia and Fight Finder has "N/A" for his age.

According to Tapology, he's 36 though - so it will make the average go up.

You are boundlessly stupid.

 

[Hardkore]

Can you offer anything to support the random figures you used?

250 million?
100 million?
Half?

Fucking northern monkeys

Bro math

 

[TheBulletwithWings]

i think the point was not about bigger pay in terms of absolute numbers. NFL, NBA, MLB, etc all pay out 50% of the revenue. Boxing stars get the lionshare, NOT the promoter. Its about the revenue share and pay out ratio, not about which has bigger fanbase.

Boxing stars own their own promotions, and regular sports compete a lot more through out the year.

 

[Coolidge]

Chris De La Rocha has no page on Wikipedia and Fight Finder has "N/A" for his age.

According to Tapology, he's 36 though - so it will make the average go up.

You are boundlessly stupid.

Genius, just because a person doesn't have a Wikipedia page, nor an age listed, doesn't mean you exclude him from the list. His age is a non-factor (I know what it was since I actually took due diligence to have a comprehensive list -- took me all of 60 seconds). If his age was 20, it would hardly make a difference -- that wasn't the point. The fact that you excluded him tells me your list is incomplete and can't be trusted. You're lazy and a non-thinker. As I said, there is no telling what else is wrong with the list, since I've already established it has issues.

 

[The Best JG]

A premier league paying any professional athelete like 20k a year is embarassing. If they are worth so little they shouldnt be in the big show

 

[rockylion]

Aww bless him, mcalpinerules made a new phrase