was lookin at buyin a pair of twins last week but they were backorderd so i hit up a lcoal shop and got me a pair of Windy Pro style Guards and i luv em. I tried on all kinds of shin pads, and for MT or kickboxing i would recommend sumthing with a traditional closure in the back..Windy/ Fairtex/ Twins etc... theres a couple of other brands but it depends on preffrence i guess...and for grapp. i would think those Neoprene backed ones are awesome tried thhem on and they didnt move at all very snug and feel good lol like a wetsuit, but i train MT and i opted for the tradional windy. ill post up pics and a review tommorow.:icon_chee