Lomachenko vs jlw and lw

[TownBiz]

Ever since lomachenko beat a 39 year old who was 2 divisions smaller with inactivity and bad hands and lomachenko couldn't even hurt or drop that dude, many in the boxing community have hailed lomachenko as the best pfp in the world... of course that's nonsense.

but it's intriguing to consider what would happen if lomachenko was to fight some of the other guys at jlw and lw...how would it play out against guys his size or bigger, who were also young, hungry and active....so, let's go down the list:

- tevin farmer...a couple of years younger than loma and a solid jlw....acrtive...fast, quick, well-schooled and defensively adept. a fight between him and lomachenko would be a pick-em.

- miguel berchelt... young, strong, aggressive, solid jlw. the kind of style that gave lomachenko trouble against salido. berchelt is also a highly skilled and tough guy who won't quit...i gotta call this a toss-up as well.

- tank davis...still young and developing but the most raw talent of any fighter in the world around today. young, superfast, superquick, smart and explosive....lacking in maturity and experience, but if he stays on track and maximizes his potential in a year and half will be a lock to beat lomachenko.

- mikey garcia...the win over broner doesn't carry a lotta weight with me....broner hasn't been as focused as he needs to be and he still made mikey look very vulnerable whenever he opened up. but mikey is still young, he's got all the tools, he's bigger and stronger than lomachenko...i give this to mikey by ko.

- linares...we'll see what happens this weekend. i lean towards linares due to the size difference. linares and lomachenko are about the same age and linares is a solid lw...linares is one dude who has made strides as a pro...he's gotten better every time i seen him...adding new wrinkles to his game and just improving even though he still falls a little short of perfection...still, can't count him out even though lomachenko might be more talented. linares aint gonna quit like walters...he's gonna take it lomachenko and engage him ...lomachenko will get tested....for some reason lomachenko reminds me of kovalev and rhonda rousey...fighters who were pronounced the best before they had really proven themselves...i can see lomachenko coming to a similar fate as either of them two.

 

[aries]

Nah Lomachenko beats all of the above easily, well apart from Mikey. Garcia is the only test for him out of this lot. But I still think Lomachenko would beat him as Mikey is too slow and orthodox for Loma.

Oh yeah, Rigo was 37 when they fought, like how you added a couple of years on him. And bad hands had nothing to do with it, Rigo wasn't throwing and landing on anything to need his hands.
Rigondeaux after the fight said himself that weight had nothing to do with why he lost.
Lomachenko couldn't hurt him because Rigo quit before Loma could really land anything on him. If you have watched Loma fight then you know that the first few rounds he just pitter patters on opponents to open them up, then in the later rounds is where he really turns on the after burners and goes for the stoppage. That didn't happen because of the early quit.

 

[GloryOfIran]

INb4 Loma outclasses Linares.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

Ever since lomachenko beat a 39 year old who was 2 divisions smaller with inactivity and bad hands and lomachenko couldn't even hurt or drop that dude, many in the boxing community have hailed lomachenko as the best pfp in the world... of course that's nonsense.

but it's intriguing to consider what would happen if lomachenko was to fight some of the other guys at jlw and lw...how would it play out against guys his size or bigger, who were also young, hungry and active....so, let's go down the list:

- tevin farmer...a couple of years younger than loma and a solid jlw....acrtive...fast, quick, well-schooled and defensively adept. a fight between him and lomachenko would be a pick-em.

- miguel berchelt... young, strong, aggressive, solid jlw. the kind of style that gave lomachenko trouble against salido. berchelt is also a highly skilled and tough guy who won't quit...i gotta call this a toss-up as well.

- tank davis...still young and developing but the most raw talent of any fighter in the world around today. young, superfast, superquick, smart and explosive....lacking in maturity and experience, but if he stays on track and maximizes his potential in a year and half will be a lock to beat lomachenko.

- mikey garcia...the win over broner doesn't carry a lotta weight with me....broner hasn't been as focused as he needs to be and he still made mikey look very vulnerable whenever he opened up. but mikey is still young, he's got all the tools, he's bigger and stronger than lomachenko...i give this to mikey by ko.

- linares...we'll see what happens this weekend. i lean towards linares due to the size difference. linares and lomachenko are about the same age and linares is a solid lw...linares is one dude who has made strides as a pro...he's gotten better every time i seen him...adding new wrinkles to his game and just improving even though he still falls a little short of perfection...still, can't count him out even though lomachenko might be more talented. linares aint gonna quit like walters...he's gonna take it lomachenko and engage him ...lomachenko will get tested....for some reason lomachenko reminds me of kovalev and rhonda rousey...fighters who were pronounced the best before they had really proven themselves...i can see lomachenko coming to a similar fate as either of them two.

Yeah, I don't know. It seems pretty obvious that Lomachenko would rip through any of these paper tigers you mentioned.

Interesting post, but grow some sense in that mind of yours, son.

 

[ssx]

Loma beats all the listed above, Mikey gives him the toughest fight but loses 116-112.

 

[TownBiz]

Nah Lomachenko beats all of the above easily, well apart from Mikey. Garcia is the only test for him out of this lot. But I still think Lomachenko would beat him as Mikey is too slow and orthodox for Loma.

Oh yeah, Rigo was 37 when they fought, like how you added a couple of years on him. And bad hands had nothing to do with it, Rigo wasn't throwing and landing on anything to need his hands.
Rigondeaux after the fight said himself that weight had nothing to do with why he lost.
Lomachenko couldn't hurt him because Rigo quit before Loma could really land anything on him. If you have watched Loma fight then you know that the first few rounds he just pitter patters on opponents to open them up, then in the later rounds is where he really turns on the after burners and goes for the stoppage. That didn't happen because of the early quit.

weird post....so, you're saying rigo quit because of what then?...if, as you say, loma couldn't land anything on him, why would rigo just simply give up? why not just keep fighting? after all, maybe rigo wasn't landing much, but he also wasn't taking any damage...so, clearly rigo quit for the reason he stated...bad hands.

you're right when you say that rigo was 37...and that's the age when smaller fighters start to physically break down. so, to give lomachenko pfp credit for the other guy quitting due to injuries not sustained in the fight is like giving carlos bojorquez credit as as championship caliber fighter when sweet pea quit in their fight due to an injury not sustained in the fight.

 

[TownBiz]

INb4 Loma outclasses Linares.

we'll see tonight.

 

[TownBiz]

Loma beats all the listed above, Mikey gives him the toughest fight but loses 116-112.

we can agree to disagree until he fights them all.

 

[TownBiz]

Yeah, I don't know. It seems pretty obvious that Lomachenko would rip through any of these paper tigers you mentioned.

Interesting post, but grow some sense in that mind of yours, son.

smh...you're gonna get your bubble busted and then what you gonna do?

 

[PUO3]

i'm thinking linares takes this. really haven't seen anything from lomachenko that makes me think he can handle a skilled, motivated young champ who has been active and is probably a little physically bigger than him. no question in my mind it will go the distance...lomachenko is skilled, but if linares can hang tough, which he will, he can outlast loma downn the stretch.

Bet?

 

[aries]

weird post....so, you're saying rigo quit because of what then?...if, as you say, loma couldn't land anything on him, why would rigo just simply give up? why not just keep fighting? after all, maybe rigo wasn't landing much, but he also wasn't taking any damage...so, clearly rigo quit for the reason he stated...bad hands.

you're right when you say that rigo was 37...and that's the age when smaller fighters start to physically break down. so, to give lomachenko pfp credit for the other guy quitting due to injuries not sustained in the fight is like giving carlos bojorquez credit as as championship caliber fighter when sweet pea quit in their fight due to an injury not sustained in the fight.

Yours are the weird posts. You always go way out there completely the opposite way to the general consensus. You really think Linares is going to beat Lomachenko lol Be sure to check in tomorrow to see how that goes lol

Rigo bruised his hand, that's all. That's not a fight quitting injury that's something that if you want to you can fight through. Rigo used it as a way to get out of a fight where he was being outclassed. Lomachenko in his fight with Tatakhum bust his hand. He carried on and dominated the fight with one hand. Rigo could have carried on with a bruised hand. I don't believe it was anything more than an excuse to get out of a fight. It's no coincidence that 4 Lomachenko opponents in a row have quit without being injured or beat up.

And I never said Lomachenko wasn't landing anything on him I said he was hitting him with pitter patter shots as he does earlier in his fights. He doesn't start loading up until after the mid way point. So Rigo wasn't getting hurt but he was getting out landed 2 to 1. Not being able to land anything on your opponent must have been a bit of a shock for Rigondeaux, I'm not that surprised that he quit.

 

[quincy k]

are people actually believing that a130 lomas win over 37-year-old 122 rigo is some great accomplishment?

if canelo moved up to 175 pounds and got his ass kicked by stevenson, kovalev or ward i dont think any of those guys would even mention that win as anything special, same goes for 160 golovkin.

a win over a legit 135 linares is a much, much, much better win than rigo.

 

[PUO3]

are people actually believing that a130 lomas win over 37-year-old 122 rigo is some great accomplishment?

if canelo moved up to 175 pounds and got his ass kicked by stevenson, kovalev or ward i dont think any of those guys would even mention that win as anything special, same goes for 160 golovkin.

a win over a legit 135 linares is a much, much, much better win than rigo.

It was a damn good showing.

Completely embarrassed one of the best defensive fighters of our lifetime.

And yes any of them embarrassing Canelo or GGG would also be impressive.

 

[aries]

are people actually believing that a130 lomas win over 37-year-old 122 rigo is some great accomplishment?

if canelo moved up to 175 pounds and got his ass kicked by stevenson, kovalev or ward i dont think any of those guys would even mention that win as anything special, same goes for 160 golovkin.

a win over a legit 135 linares is a much, much, much better win than rigo.

On paper it doesn't look so impressive but the manner in which he beat him was essentially a boxing lesson. Size didn't come into it, maybe age did but before the fight plenty of people were saying that Rigo would give Lomachenko problems and some were even picking him to win. Rigo got absolutely schooled. His tactics for shutting down Riggs offence was also superb. He crowded his hips after Rigo dipped low at the waist so that then Rigo was in no position to throw any counters. So yeah it was a pretty big achievement if you look at the way he did it.

 

[quincy k]

It was a damn good showing.

Completely embarrassed one of the best defensive fighters of our lifetime.

And yes any of them embarrassing Canelo or GGG would also be impressive.

you really think that kovalev, stevenson or ward would not absolutely and unequivocally beat the shit out of canelo?

he would be like a +1000, maybe more, even with the gbp judges

rr said the other day that mayweather wouldnt have much a chance against golovkin and rigo did not have near the resume of floyd

 

[quincy k]

On paper it doesn't look so impressive but the manner in which he beat him was essentially a boxing lesson. Size didn't come into it, maybe age did but before the fight plenty of people were saying that Rigo would give Lomachenko problems and some were even picking him to win. Rigo got absolutely schooled. His tactics for shutting down Riggs offence was also superb. He crowded his hips after Rigo dipped low at the waist so that then Rigo was in no position to throw any counters. So yeah it was a pretty big achievement if you look at the way he did it.

i thought rigo came for a check. iirc, rr said before the fight was signed that he had first-hand knowledge that the cuban was fat and out of shape before camp and essentially did not have much of a chance against loma

 

[TownBiz]

Yours are the weird posts. You always go way out there completely the opposite way to the general consensus. You really think Linares is going to beat Lomachenko lol Be sure to check in tomorrow to see how that goes lol

Rigo bruised his hand, that's all. That's not a fight quitting injury that's something that if you want to you can fight through. Rigo used it as a way to get out of a fight where he was being outclassed. Lomachenko in his fight with Tatakhum bust his hand. He carried on and dominated the fight with one hand. Rigo could have carried on with a bruised hand. I don't believe it was anything more than an excuse to get out of a fight. It's no coincidence that 4 Lomachenko opponents in a row have quit without being injured or beat up.

And I never said Lomachenko wasn't landing anything on him I said he was hitting him with pitter patter shots as he does earlier in his fights. He doesn't start loading up until after the mid way point. So Rigo wasn't getting hurt but he was getting out landed 2 to 1. Not being able to land anything on your opponent must have been a bit of a shock for Rigondeaux, I'm not that surprised that he quit.

dude, lomachenko himself said the reason he was able to dominate rigo is because rigo is so much smaller than him...lomachenko himself didn't think that win meant much. it's guys like you who keep over-inflating every win, no matter what the circumstances that are the "out there" ones.

and do you really, really think a guy like rigo who been around for years, studied film of lomachenko, rigo who knows lomachenko was two-time gold medalist like him, and has known about lomachenko for years was really "shocked" that lomachenko was able to outslick him early in the fight? you really think rigo was expecting lomachenko to be the same as donaire?...if that's what you think, you vastly underestimate rigo and his camp... if anything, rigo knew EXACTLY what he was getting into with lomachenko...but knowing about lomachenko doesn't mean rigo's 37 year old body will cooperate. age and injury caught up to rigo is all that happened. rigo was a meaningless win for lomachenko and proves nothing about lomachenko's pfp standing...i've heard a lotta lomachenko fans make the same argument about the salido fight, by the way...i'm willing to give them that. but, by the same token, you can't tell me that beating a smaller grj and a much smaller, much older, inactive rigo makes lomachenko so special that he definitely beats mikey, tevin farmer, berchelt, tank, linares etc...the reality is, those guys all probably beat him....but we'll see tonight.

 

[TownBiz]

are people actually believing that a130 lomas win over 37-year-old 122 rigo is some great accomplishment?

if canelo moved up to 175 pounds and got his ass kicked by stevenson, kovalev or ward i dont think any of those guys would even mention that win as anything special, same goes for 160 golovkin.

a win over a legit 135 linares is a much, much, much better win than rigo.

that's what i'm saying...linares is probably lomachenko's first real test to see if he's a real pfp guy. wins over smaller guys like russell or smaller, older guys like rigo mean nothing to me and they should mean nothing to real boxing fans....remember when floyd came back from a one-year layoff and completely decimated juan manuel marquez who was arguably the #2 pfp guy at the time? what did dudes say?...it was all "floyd dragged jmm up in weight"...and "floyd beat an older, smaller guy and that don't mean shit." why give lomachenko credit for something you wouldn't give the far more proven floyd credit for? then again, all logic and reason goes out the window when it comes to lomachenko fans.

nicholas walters didn't even try...i'm not blaming lomachenko for that, but let's face it...walters didn't show up to fight that night...linares will.

if lomachenko handles linares as easy as he handled rigo THEN lomachenko comes into consideration for pfp...if he struggles or loses, he's what i think he is, an overrated fighter who benefitted from the complete insanity of boxing politics.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Gary Russel Jr would beat the shit out of Tank, and Loma beat him around pretty good. Don't joke around kid.

 

[TownBiz]

i thought rigo came for a check. iirc, rr said before the fight was signed that he had first-hand knowledge that the cuban was fat and out of shape before camp and essentially did not have much of a chance against loma

maybe you're right about rigo coming in for the check...to me, it was expected that lomachenko was gonna dominate the early part of the fight due to his height and reach and weight advantages...lomachenko was also known as the better defensive fighter...the question was, as the fight went into the later rounds, would lomachenko be able to handle rigo's power?...we never got to see the late rounds due to the injury which caused the fight to be stopped...but the way the fight started was what made it special...we were supposed to see a showcase of both fighters talents...we got to see lomachenko do his thing but if rigo had been healthy and had maintained his focus the outcome would have been very different.