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LOL @ the Robbie Lawler hype

Bones245n4847 said:
Robbie is the worst UFC champ record wise in a while. Atleast Johny had the win/lose record to look comparable to all the other champs who had 2 or less losses. Now you are trying to tell me the WW champ has lost 10 times already? Thats elite? Please, Johny Hendricks rounds 2-3-4 and 48-47, robbery of decade.
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you see that shiny belt around his waist? That's the first hint that he's an elite fighter :icon_lol:
 
rjmbrd said:
When he was in the UFC the first time he was fighting out of one of the best camps in the sport at the time. As TS said he got chased out of welterweight.

His fight with Kos wasn't nearly long enough to say he looked any different, he got a first round KO. Paulo Thiago also knocked Kos out - what did that spell out for his standing in the division? The Voelker fight is against a guy who is not UFC caliber to begin with, on short notice, who is a brawler that matched up favorably for Robbie. I don't know how much there is to cull from that.

IMO the seasoned top guys like Condit are better than him everywhere. Maia will submit him the same way Jacare ran him over. Jake Shields would submit him, again.

He's not stronger and doesn't hit harder than Ellenberger and Hendricks. He's less rounded than guys like Condit and Rory.

I don't see him going far in the top 10
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Lawler has looked in better form than earlier in his career but honestly I do think a big factor is that WW as a whole was rather overrated until quite recently.

It always had the "best division in the UFC" hype behind it but realistically that first started simply because Pride didn't have a 170 division. That ment the UFC had a lot of the best talent at the weight but equally I think it also ment that the division's talent base did not develop as quickly as those around it.

Most obviously I think WW lacked much in the way of quality striking(with good takedown defence) or BJJ talent, it was a VERY wrestling focused division until quiet recently. I think guys like Hendricks, Lawler, Rory and even Maia have exploited the openings that has created, a lot of "top" WW talent over the past decade or so has really been lacking in both stand up and submission defence IMHO.

Its IMHO a good explanation for GSP's dominance as well if you ask me, prior to Hendricks he'd never faced the combination of good standup and takedown defence outside of a very undersized BJ. GSP built his career on taking down strikers with limited wrestling ability and on outstriking wrestlers with limited standup ability. That era now looks to be closing and GSP makes his exit from the division.
 
as much as Gsp would 9/10 times beat robbie. the fact remains lawler is a bad match up for gsp as has been shown before gsp likes to set the pace early he doesnt cope well with being pushed ala serra but i still think 9/10 gsp is to gifted
 
Mark S Anderson said:
as much as Gsp would 9/10 times beat robbie. the fact remains lawler is a bad match up for gsp as has been shown before gsp likes to set the pace early he doesnt cope well with being pushed ala serra but i still think 9/10 gsp is to gifted
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Nah, I could see GSP winning a decision but equally I think Lawler would have a very good shot at a finish, his takedown defence is way better than someone like Alves and his stand up has the power and variety to put GSP away.
 
go figure the dude's banned. although kinda sad i never got to put in my 2c in this thread.
 
Mark S Anderson said:
as much as Gsp would 9/10 times beat robbie. the fact remains lawler is a bad match up for gsp as has been shown before gsp likes to set the pace early he doesnt cope well with being pushed ala serra but i still think 9/10 gsp is to gifted
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Prime GSP beats anyone in Welter history....and he doesn't take rounds off. The GSP that won 33 consecutive rounds was unstoppable.
 
GSP walks away and the WW belt becomes a hot potato.
 
Pravda9 said:
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Not a troll thread, not a fighter bashing thread. Seriously. This is about the recent hype of Robbie Lawler, which has gotten completely out of control. People are saying he'd beat Rory, he'd beat GSP, he'd beat the top 5, and so on. This isn't criticism of Robbie Lawler (who I wish the best of luck to), but rather a reminder to sherdoggers who think two KO's in a row = worldbeater.

First of all, he does have a nice win over Koscheck, and another nice win over Voelker. But that's it. The Kosckeck win was great for his standing and put him in the top 10 in official rankings, but the win over Voelker means almost nothing. Voelker is not a top 15 guy and has never been. He lost to Patrick Cote in his previous fight, which should say it all. It's a flashy win but it means nothing in terms of rankings.

With that out of the way, let's looking at Robbie Lawler as a fighter. He's young, 31 years old, and is looking good. But his record shows a different story. He went 3-5 in Strikeforce and is 5-5 in his last ten fights. He's lost guys like Lorenz Larkin, Babalu and Tim Kennedy in that streak. These are not top 10 fighters. And that's just his recent fights - if you go back farther you can see that Lawler has always been a 50/50 fighter. One fight he wins, one fight he loses. He's a good fighter, but he's not a consistent fighter. To those introduced to him by his recent UFC results he looks like a superstar, but to those who have been around a bit we know that he gets a nice win or two then crashes back down to Earth in his next fight.

Now to those saying his losses are at MW and his last 2 wins show that he's a beast at WW, remember that he went to MW for a reason. He lost to Evan Tanner, Pete Spratt and was KO'd (!) by Nick Diaz with one punch. It was awhile ago, but he didn't go to MW because he felt it was his natural weight class, he went there because he was chased there. And now he's back to WW and people are thinking that this is his weightclass, this is where he's always belonged, and they don't know why he wasn't always a WW.

When Robbie fights some of higher ranked UFC fighters you are going to see why he's not taken as seriously as some of you may want as a top contender. He's got an impressive skillset which he uses with a lot of aggression and power to finish fights, but against more complete, skilled fighters his gameplan doesn't usually play out the way he wants to. When he wins, he tends to win spectacularly (he does not decision win people), but he also loses about half his fights. His gameplan is too straight forward to work against the top UFC guys, and especially against someone like Rory Mac, who people are thinking is going to lose to Lawler if Dana gets the fight put together like he wants. Rory in particular is too big, too rangy, and too good at keeping distance to lose to Lawler. He just left MW and he's going to beat a massive WW? Smart money is that Rory Mac is a huge favorite in that fight. Same for most other top fights.

That said, Lawler is always entertaining and great to watch. When he wins, he wins in exciting fashion. Just don't forget that he's been here awhile and never really been a contender. Smart money is he ends up ranked 12-15 and sits around there.
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And yet he is now a UFC champion... something that only 1% of fighters can say they are and something all 100% want to be

suck on that
 
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5 Wins over Top 10 Ranked Opponents in the last 2 Years; including 3 versus Top 5.


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CoffeeAndBeer said:
^another dope^
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Right - Robbie the 'split decision champion' Lawler. Who also went to a split decision with McDonald on his way to a rematch for the first fight he lost to Hendricks.


Here are the current champions and how they first won their belt. Let me know if anything sticks out to you.

Dillashaw - TKO Barao
Aldo - TKO Mike Brown
Pettis - Submitted Henderson
Lawler - SPLIT DECISION Hendricks
Weidman - KO Silva
Jones - TKO Rua
Velasquez - TKO Lesnar


He got a belt over an abysmal decision. Belts should not change hands over a performance like that.

He's 1-1 with Hendricks and his win was a split decision. I don't know why people are carrying him off the field - good for him and all but acting like he's the dominant guy at 170lbs is just flat out absurd. I think Lombard, Diaz, Condit and probably even Woodly are a bad matchup for him.

A knock down against Rory saved him from losing and earned him a split decision - by the way he ended that round on bottom getting elbowed.
 
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