liberalism is a mental disease - what does that mean?

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." - Edward Abbey

Just as Abbey said of growth, so is progress for the sake of progress. A cancer upon society eating away at long standing tested traditions for no other purpose than "progress" itself.
 
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How do you get 350,000,000 people together to collectively hire a specialist?

Why does everyone have to hire one specialist? Reads more like you're the one arguing that system, not me.
 
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Sure. Compensation. We're living it now, and it's the best society humans have come up with.

How odd. Its the best solution we've come up with too steal property because someone somewhere down an ancestral line stole that same property before? That's quite nutty, even for you.
 
It is fair game. If the boss harasses an employee, he/she can quit. The NAP says it's fair game, economic blackmail is a ok.

Perhaps your version of sexual harassment ismt what people would consider harassment. Should it be illegal to ask a subordinate out to dinner? Should we put the employer in a cage for doing that?
 
Perhaps your version of sexual harassment ismt what people would consider harassment. Should it be illegal to ask a subordinate out to dinner? Should we put the employer in a cage for doing that?

How about we address what I am saying head one before you go leaping into muddying up the waters. Can a boss say fuck me or your fired? According to the nap it's fair game right?
 
How about we address what I am saying head one before you go leaping into muddying up the waters. Can a boss say fuck me or your fired? According to the nap it's fair game right?

I don't know. Is the other option compelling the employer to keep that assocation? Is it illegal for the employee to demand the employer sleep with them or else they quit?

Edit: Also keep in mind, its not necessary to require the NAP to have a voluntarist soceity. That free organization also *probably* works from a consequentialist angle as well.
 
I don't know. Is the other option compelling the employer to keep that assocation? Is it illegal for the employee to demand the employer sleep with them or else they quit?

First question yes and plus penalizing him/her for making the demand in the first place, second question, generally no, although I could be persuaded to change my mind here. Do I get an answer now :)
 
First question yes and plus penalizing him/her for making the demand in the first place, second question, generally no, although I could be persuaded to change my mind here. Do I get an answer now :)

The answer to your question is of course its fair. The employer is laying out the conditions for association. It just reads like you're the one making the obviously unethical claim of pointimg a gun at someone for making conditions to their association.

Now the employee reasonably has grounds for a breach, but your solution of compelling that continued dysfunctional association is a little silly if Im to be frank.
 
The answer to your question is of course its fair. The employer is laying out the conditions for association. It just reads like you're the one making the obviously unethical claim of pointimg a gun at someone for making conditions to their association.

Now the employee reasonably has grounds for a breach, but your solution of compelling that continued dysfunctional association is a little silly if Im to be frank.

Well there we have it. Assyemtrical economic power and all the advantages that it affords can be used to get someone who is hired to be a secretary to be told without warning that she must be a hoar or be unable to pay the rent, feed her kid, and/or pay groceries. Her fault for not being ready.

And democracies have no right to legislate this behavior because that is force. Because I am not pointing a gun at anyone, the democratic mandated use of force is.

Next question. Can I sell myself into slavery?
 
Well there we have it. Assyemtrical economic power and all the advantages that it affords can be used to get someone who is hired to be a secretary to be told without warning that she must be a hoar or be unable to pay the rent, feed her kid, and/or pay groceries. Her fault for not being ready.

And democracies have no right to legislate this behavior because that is force. Because I am not pointing a gun at anyone, the democratic mandated use of force is.

Next question. Can I sell myself into slavery?

Youre still supporting an electorate of people that want to use violence to solve societies problems, so yes, you're pointing the gun because youre an advocate of the violence.

And there we have what? You're describing a breach of contract, and you want to point a gun at someone and obligate them to a dysfunctional association. It also reads like you want one personto have the freedom of association but not the other. How consistent of you.
 
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Freedom... that double edged sword. So bitter yet so sweet.

Most people only want it one way but that's not freedom.
 
Youre still supporting an electorate of people that want to use violence to solve societies problems, so yes, you're pointing the gun because youre an advocate of the violence.

And there we have what? You're describing a breach of contract, and you want to point a gun at someone and obligate them to a dysfunctional association. It also reads like you want one person the freedom of association but not the other. How consistent of you.

Well me and 51% of the population that are pointing the gun. We are also, because we know the mob is dangerous, passing rules so that the same 51% can't pass certain other rules and delegating power to different bodies and setting a higher bar to change these rules / making it more complicated.

I am not describing a breach of contract, I am describing limits on what can be contracted to in the first place. Dysfunctional relationships are a fact of life, I don't see how throwing out a carte blanche under the guise of voluntary association, that simplistically ignores power imbalances and blackmail, will improve the situation.

Its a simple social self defense mechanism to not allow various actors with highly diverging amounts of power to enage in any set of arrangements without a arbitrar who represents the common good.

Now I think there is something to ideas like NAP, free markets, etc. to say that role should be limited but I am perfectly comfortable with saying that the majority has gotten together and set some ground rules to protect us all. I.e. you can't use debtors prison to get people to "voluntarily"' sell themselves into slavery,
ages of consent can be established, for just a couple of examples.

Did I say happy holidays btw?
 
Why does everyone have to hire one specialist? Reads more like you're the one arguing that system, not me.

I'm pointing out how absurd your leanings are! If everyone is the master of his private domain, you need SOME WAY to congregate to make decisions that affect EVERYONE in a local, regional, or widespread area.

As it happens, humans long ago devised a scheme to deal with this very issue.
 
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