Let's talk about the evolution of point-fighting in MMA

Substance Abuse said:
But Timmeh finished six of his nine UFC wins.
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He actually finished five of his UFC wins.

Wins by finish:
  1. Correira
  2. Rodriguez
  3. McGee
  4. Telligman
  5. Arlovski 2
Wins by decision:
  1. Silva
  2. Arlovski 3
  3. Monson
  4. Vera
 
NikLuk said:
He actually finished five of his UFC wins.

Wins by finish:
  1. Correira
  2. Rodriguez
  3. McGee
  4. Telligman
  5. Arlovski 2
Wins by decision:
  1. Silva
  2. Arlovski 3
  3. Monson
  4. Vera
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I thought the Sims knockout was in the UFC. Time to stop posting, lol.

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Substance Abuse said:
I thought the Sims knockout was in the UFC. Time to stop posting, lol.

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It was a Superbrawl event. If you thought that that was in UFC, how did you get the amount of UFC wins correct (9) instead of miscounting those by one as well?
 
don't ask said:
I thought Anderson Silva was going to become a point fighter back when he was the least popular fighter in the sport because he wouldn't engage hesitant fighters and would fuck around in the cage to pass the time. Dana and co did some heavy lifting to reinvent him as a fan favourite considering that at one point Dana was apologizing for Anderson's shitty fights and promising to make it up to the fans (which he never did, of course -- thanks Dana).
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Eeeh, you’re making it sound like Anderson had a long stint of boring fights or something, which isnt true at all. He had like 3 of those stinkers. Leites who constantly dropped to his back which wasnt Andersons fault, Cote where Anderson played it a bit safe but wasnt some outrageously safe or boring performance, and ofc the Maia fight which was kinda bizarre. But that was pretty much it.

Thats 3/16 fights in his UFC title reign streak that were boring.
 
NationWideNinja said:
Eeeh, you’re making it sound like Anderson had a long stint of boring fights or something, which isnt true at all. He had like 3 of those stinkers. Leites who constantly dropped to his back which wasnt Andersons fault, Cote where Anderson played it a bit safe but wasnt some outrageously safe or boring performance, and ofc the Maia fight which was kinda bizarre. But that was pretty much it.

Thats 3/16 fights in his UFC title reign streak that were boring.
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Maia and Leites threw around the same number of strikes in 50 minuts combined than Yushin Okami did in 7 minuts vs Silva, being Yushin an ultra tentative fighter himself.
 
Jones, Adesanya, Volk, Gane have some of the most impressive performances where the goal was to win on points
 
Should deduct percent of purse every round that ends. MMA has went from must see TV to if I'm home and there's nothing else to do.
 
One of the true pioneers of this strategy was GSP.

You could see immediately how much potential GSP had when he first entered the UFC. He was a phenomenal athlete and exciting finisher. But then Matt Serra came along and ruined him. That flurry of unanswered punches haunted GSP for the rest of his career. From that moment on it was safe fighting and positional victories. He did it in a very dominating way but long gone were the days of exciting, athletic, GSP.
 
Hypetrainofthemonth said:
I would, but I can't ask, your name told me so.
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(Edit: In B4 the GOAT, GSP) ;)
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Most MMA fans do not know what they see or how to analyze a fight.

GSP was not a point fighter. That is not the proper criticism if you are looking for one, which is that he did not have an elite finishing game to match the rest of his skills. That was GSP's issues.

GSP could have easily implemented the dominant wrestler LnP game to win every fight without much risk, such as the games that Fitch and Sonnen would employ. Stay in guard or half guard and just focus on keeping the opponent down and landing mostly meaningless shots to the stomach and run out the clock. GSP never fought that way. NEVER.

In fact, GSP set records passing to dominant position where he would attempt a sub, which then created openings for him opponents to get back up and try to KO him. He did not have to take those risks but he always did.
 
In any combat sport, they all eventually evolve into point fighting since that becomes the most effective and risk free way to obtain victory. More technicians emerge and find the least risky way to win. Look at any martial art/combat sport and you'll notice the same pattern. Older fights are always more brutal.
 
NationWideNinja said:
Eeeh, you’re making it sound like Anderson had a long stint of boring fights or something, which isnt true at all. He had like 3 of those stinkers. Leites who constantly dropped to his back which wasnt Andersons fault, Cote where Anderson played it a bit safe but wasnt some outrageously safe or boring performance, and ofc the Maia fight which was kinda bizarre. But that was pretty much it.

Thats 3/16 fights in his UFC title reign streak that were boring.
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If you remember that time period, you'll know those three fights were enough to make Anderson incredibly unpopular and caused a lot of stress to the UFC. Yes, only three fights, but fights don't happen quickly and that was a full year of people wondering what he was doing and why. The impact was significant. At the time, I thought he was going to become a point fighter because his fights had changed so radically and didn't seem to have the same interest in fighting.
 
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Do many rules and perceptions need adjustment? Yes IMO - but for now...

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