Lead Leg Kick without a switch kick

[shincheckin]

would be interesting to see how the lead leg kick without a switch is thrown in TMA's as compared to MT.

 

[aerius]

In TKD we did it like this.



The lead leg comes straight up in a chamber then snaps into the round kick. Back when I was in the sport, we'd pivot the base leg around to open up the hips and get more power on the kick, but these days where it's gone towards point fighting they often leave out the pivot for faster recovery to defend in case of a missed kick.

You'll notice the instructor doing it both ways in the video, when he's working with his partner and not trying to kill him he often leaves out the pivot or use a minimal one. When he's throwing for impact on the pads he gets his base leg around to really snap the kick through.

 

[ARIZE]

To add some stuff to what aerius said, from a TMA point of view.

It's very easy to also do a jumping forward lead kick. Something you use a lot in TKD to close the big distances they have. Thats obviously an attacking strike, and not a reaction/counter like in the videos.

As a defensive strike, what they teach in TKD, you also have a body level kick. But there, you must use the snap of the kick you have in TMA. The big advantage is that your knee will go in between you and your opponent that way, forming a "shield" that wont let him close the distance. In the video of shinchekin, they talk about preventing the enemy to enter, but mostly with a hip work. In TMA, it's the bending of the knee for the snap that would do it mostly. The way they do it in the video of shincheckin most of the times, there is nothing to prevent the opponent from closing the distance while you do it, and usually the power from the lead roundhouse, is not enough. A couple of times he has the knee in a better position, but it doesn't seem to be on purpose, since other times it's not (in the 1:03 mark he has the knee inside, the first ones around 0:30 not at all, same as some at the end)

And if you add a light lean back (which you usually need anyway for a lead round), you are safe from counter punches.

It's also nice (and very recommended in TKD) to follow up directly with something else. Depending on the distances, you have lots of options. Rear round, entering the clinch with a knee etc. The lead kick flows nicely with lots of other strikes.

 

[Sensei Student]

It don't seem too powerful and kinda off balances you.

I generally don't do switch kick cuz it's too easy to tell and uses a lot of energy. Instead I try to be sneaky by switching to southpaw by subtly moving my front leg back or stepping forward with with my rear leg before blasting them.

 

[Fire of Youth]

I can guarantee that this type of lead leg kick is powerful.

 

[AtlSteel]

I can guarantee that this type of lead leg kick is powerful.

What's the other guy doing when he gets in range with a wide open face to hit?

 

[zapataxiv]

This might be more karate style(?)
But I was taught a hip movement lolike a sit back on your lead leg ( or the position after you throw a rear straight) and then a push off from the leag leg toes to drive the kick, with a pivot on the opposite foot. Worked great for hard leg kicks on the inside

 

[Vil7]

I usually stand orthodox so I like to throw a left jab then immediately through a left roundhouse kick to the head off of the front leg. I also like the combination of left front kick to the body, left jab to the face, then left high roundhouse kick.

 

[Centaur]

I seen what he's doing before. I think it was a Bas Rutten fight. He drops his lead hand to invite a right corss, then leans back and liver kicks the dude. He had a lot more "oomph" on it though.
Side note, Stephan (guy on the right) is one of my former students. Him and his brother trained with me just before going to Thailand.

 

[William Huggins]

I seen what he's doing before. I think it was a Bas Rutten fight. He drops his lead hand to invite a right corss, then leans back and liver kicks the dude. He had a lot more "oomph" on it though.
Side note, Stephan (guy on the right) is one of my former students. Him and his brother trained with me just before going to Thailand.

Oh that kick can punish when timed just like you said, when someone really puts intention into their right cross, it opens them up wide for the liver to get hit with that quick front leg.

 

[shincheckin]

In TKD we did it like this.



The lead leg comes straight up in a chamber then snaps into the round kick. Back when I was in the sport, we'd pivot the base leg around to open up the hips and get more power on the kick, but these days where it's gone towards point fighting they often leave out the pivot for faster recovery to defend in case of a missed kick.

You'll notice the instructor doing it both ways in the video, when he's working with his partner and not trying to kill him he often leaves out the pivot or use a minimal one. When he's throwing for impact on the pads he gets his base leg around to really snap the kick through.

good stuff, regarding the pivoting foot is really what i was looking for. So from orthodox, lead leg, without a switch, raise and chamber snap kick and pivot on the supporting leg. I feel really off balanced and in a bad position if I miss with this kick though but I could be doing the follow through or recovery wrong.

 

[shincheckin]

To add some stuff to what aerius said, from a TMA point of view.

It's very easy to also do a jumping forward lead kick. Something you use a lot in TKD to close the big distances they have. Thats obviously an attacking strike, and not a reaction/counter like in the videos.

As a defensive strike, what they teach in TKD, you also have a body level kick. But there, you must use the snap of the kick you have in TMA. The big advantage is that your knee will go in between you and your opponent that way, forming a "shield" that wont let him close the distance. In the video of shinchekin, they talk about preventing the enemy to enter, but mostly with a hip work. In TMA, it's the bending of the knee for the snap that would do it mostly. The way they do it in the video of shincheckin most of the times, there is nothing to prevent the opponent from closing the distance while you do it, and usually the power from the lead roundhouse, is not enough. A couple of times he has the knee in a better position, but it doesn't seem to be on purpose, since other times it's not (in the 1:03 mark he has the knee inside, the first ones around 0:30 not at all, same as some at the end)

And if you add a light lean back (which you usually need anyway for a lead round), you are safe from counter punches.

It's also nice (and very recommended in TKD) to follow up directly with something else. Depending on the distances, you have lots of options. Rear round, entering the clinch with a knee etc. The lead kick flows nicely with lots of other strikes.

lets see a vid of the leaping lead leg TKD kick?

The video reference marks you made at 30 and 1:03 helped alot for it to really click after reading it and seeing it. So what I see in the proper kick at 1:03 is just more hip rotation, like you really have to over rotate your hip to throw it. Or maybe it should just be chambered more?

 

[shincheckin]

I can guarantee that this type of lead leg kick is powerful.

I remember seeing that guys stuff online a long time ago. Muay boran style self defense it seems is what he teaches I think some of it was pretty good stuff

 

[shincheckin]

This might be more karate style(?)
But I was taught a hip movement lolike a sit back on your lead leg ( or the position after you throw a rear straight) and then a push off from the leag leg toes to drive the kick, with a pivot on the opposite foot. Worked great for hard leg kicks on the inside

so be in a position from throwing a right cross, and then leap my weight back onto the rear leg and kick

 

[shincheckin]

Oh that kick can punish when timed just like you said, when someone really puts intention into their right cross, it opens them up wide for the liver to get hit with that quick front leg.

yeah a good foot slap well placed to the liver is good enough, doesnt have to be a huge powerful kick. If you compare, still a kick with the foot is harder than a liver punch and a liver punch is plenty enough power.

 

[ARIZE]

lets see a vid of the leaping lead leg TKD kick?

It's the second one, called front skip turning kick.

The video reference marks you made at 30 and 1:03 helped alot for it to really click after reading it and seeing it. So what I see in the proper kick at 1:03 is just more hip rotation, like you really have to over rotate your hip to throw it. Or maybe it should just be chambered more?

Well that's the thing, in it? More rotation of the hip is more of a MT technique, chambered is more of a TMA style. For me, the MT one has more power, but the TMA is faster and you have better control/balance if you miss. Also with the TMA, I feel I have better control of the angle I wanna throw it and easier to go for the head. But I think it's down to preferences and what you are used to.

My mid round houses and switches are MT ones, my high and lead ones are more TKD. But over the years, my MT kicks got a bit of a snap in them, and my TKD kicks had a lot more hip rotation from the start, and they still do, just a bit less.

PS: If you want to find roundhouse kicks in TKD, they call them turning kick.

 

[shincheckin]

It's the second one, called front skip turning kick.



Well that's the thing, in it? More rotation of the hip is more of a MT technique, chambered is more of a TMA style. For me, the MT one has more power, but the TMA is faster and you have better control/balance if you miss. Also with the TMA, I feel I have better control of the angle I wanna throw it and easier to go for the head. But I think it's down to preferences and what you are used to.

My mid round houses and switches are MT ones, my high and lead ones are more TKD. But over the years, my MT kicks got a bit of a snap in them, and my TKD kicks had a lot more hip rotation from the start, and they still do, just a bit less.

PS: If you want to find roundhouse kicks in TKD, they call them turning kick.

going to have to give it a go

 

[Fire of Youth]

What's the other guy doing when he gets in range with a wide open face to hit?

Do you mean that the kicker's face is wide open? If so, then the lateral drive takes the kicker's face off centre and they end up on the outside angle. To visualise this, imagine the kicker doing this kick at the same time as the opponent does a jab. The kicker's head goes to the outside of the jab and then body follows with the kick/drive.

 

[Fire of Youth]

I remember seeing that guys stuff online a long time ago. Muay boran style self defense it seems is what he teaches I think some of it was pretty good stuff

So do I.

 

[shincheckin]

So do I.

I also think some of his stuff was flashy nonsense. As a youngster I was very against flashy stuff, now as a coach and thinking with the mindset of running a gym, Im not mad at him at all for posting flashy nonsense. Unfortunately flashy nonsense is what gets people through the door. If you can attract more flies with honey rather than shit...you can attract more customers with flashy bullshit than you can with practical techniques. Its unfortunately just the nature of the beast so I can now see where guys are coming from.