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[Halifax]

I said it's stupid and made up. How do you get from that it doesn't exist? Flat earthers exist. WWE is stupid and made up but it still exists, right?

And even so, activists don't require an ideology other than they don't like the harm that is being done--in whatever context. If I don't like the city of Halifax dumping raw sewage into @Halifax harbor, is that an ideology? What a silly assertion.

Whatever you do on this board or elsewhere in life, don't ever criticize the reasoning ability of other people.

Say, why is it I have never seen one of these trans activists but this board is littered with randos complaining about them?

 

[Andy Capp]

It's transactivists a very few of whom are trans people themselves, that use it and promote trans ideology.

If you would listen to both of the videos, you would already know that each speaker explains this very thoroughly. Transactivists don't really represent the trans community, but they are the ones pushing forth trans ideology. And you need better sources if you think there is no such thing...

They're the ones fighting like hell to get trans people into women's prisons into women's bathrooms into women's shelters into women's rape crisis centers into women's sports teams.

They're the ones pushing the false notion that they are real women or that they are real men rather than feeling a certain way inside and playing the role of a real woman or a real man. They are the ones obfuscating the english language and trying to rid its use of man or woman to make signifiers between the sexes nonexistent in place of a sliding scale of gender identities.


You really have no idea what's going on.


No wonder you don't think philosophy is relevant to the issues at hand.... you don't even know what the issues are.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. I would post a couple of videos to educate you on the matter but you can dismiss all of it without ever having looked into it because you already know everything.

No further questions remember?

Let's just be clear about one thing. I don't give clicks to Youtube randos trying to monetize bullshit like "Trans Ideology". Get that through your head. I'm not helping any of those cunts make money. Is that clear? Their graft is not worth a flying fuck to me.

They're no better than Dr Oz. And neither is your post.

I'm betting a nickel they had their stomach pumped immediately after lol. FTR only tagged you in because I mentioned the place. You can git now while the git'ens good. This is a shit thread.

 

[terrapin]

I said it's stupid and made up. How do you get from that it doesn't exist? Flat earthers exist. WWE is stupid and made up but it still exists, right?

And even so, activists don't require an ideology other than they don't like the harm that is being done--in whatever context. If I don't like the city of Halifax dumping raw sewage into @Halifax harbor, is that an ideology? What a silly assertion.

Whatever you do on this board or elsewhere in life, don't ever criticize the reasoning ability of other people.

Say, why is it I have never seen one of these trans activists but this board is littered with randos complaining about them?

So you are saying that transactivists ideologies are stupid and made up?

I think that's a little bit black and white and you're missing a ton of nuance but you're probably half right.

I'll remind you that you said that when you're picking on my positions, which criticize certain aspects of trans ideology.

 

[terrapin]

Let's just be clear about one thing. I don't give clicks to Youtube randos trying to monetize bullshit like "Trans Ideology". Get that through your head. I'm not helping any of those cunts make money. Is that clear? Their graft is not worth a flying fuck to me.

They're no better than Dr Oz. And neither is your post.


I'm betting a nickel they had their stomach pumped immediately after lol. FTR only tagged you in because I mentioned the place. You can git now while the git'ens good. This is a shit thread.

It's hilarious that you can completely dismiss people you've never listened to. That's a trait I usually ascribe to right-wingers and the uneducated. Both of these women are deeply thoughtful human beings deeply compassionate human beings and have parsed out all the issues related to this problem in a very intelligent way for the benefit of all human beings, including trans people.

But of course, you don't want to read anything or learn anything new. You can just judge them without ever having heard a single thing they said.

One of the things both women talks about is how in the states it's very difficult to have an intelligent discussion about this issue on either side of the aisle. Your position proves what they are saying.

 

[terrapin]

I said it's stupid and made up. How do you get from that it doesn't exist? Flat earthers exist. WWE is stupid and made up but it still exists, right?

And even so, activists don't require an ideology other than they don't like the harm that is being done--in whatever context. If I don't like the city of Halifax dumping raw sewage into @Halifax harbor, is that an ideology? What a silly assertion.

Whatever you do on this board or elsewhere in life, don't ever criticize the reasoning ability of other people.

Say, why is it I have never seen one of these trans activists but this board is littered with randos complaining about them?

You cannot possibly be arguing that because you've never met a transactivist they don't exist...

You cannot possibly mean that... it is intellectually indefensible. It is ignorant and stupid and the refuge of the uneducated.

This issue going on in university, is being debated violently, protested by thousands.

The truth is you just don't want to know anything about it, but you want to argue about something you don't know anything about. Maybe you should just leave it to people who actually are curious?

I can't relate to your purposefully ignorance here.

 

[Andy Capp]

So you are saying that transactivists ideologies are stupid and made up?

I think that's a little bit black and white and you're missing a ton of nuance but you're probably half right.

I'll remind you that you said that when you're picking on my positions, which criticize certain aspects of trans ideology.

You're missing the point entirely again and again. You're so engulfed in bullshit you keep making up my positions and restating them. Slow the fuck down and try to use your head for more than a hat rack.

There are grifters and snake oil salesmen of all sorts all around the world. The few people you're talking about are no different. But they're a miniscule issue compared with almost everything else and especially compared with the amount of discussion that goes on about trans people in the War Room. It's fucking pathetic.

It's making a mountain out of a molehill relative to the things really affecting great numbers of people every hour of every day. The Youtube randos that get posted here, who hope to monetize their name with this bullshit are no better, and it amazes me you don't see that, but instead promulgate their crap.

 

[kflo]

Tell that to women getting raped in prison by trans people.....

Over 50% of male trans people in prison have sexual assault on their records in the states. It's 58% in great brittian. That's a lot higher than the average for non trans men...... let that sink in.

Dumping those men onto women is pure evil...

Not to mention, women's prisons don't even need maximum security because that level of violence and culture of violence doesn't really exist in women's prisons. But yes, let's dump men onto women in prison, most of whom come from a long line of abuse from men so that men can run those prisons and abuse those poor women into subservience.

Not sure why this was your reply to what I said.

But how many women in prison are in for sexual assault, and how many of them are trans?

How many sexual assaults in woman’s prison are committed by trans women compared to cis women, and male prison workers?

Not %’s, absolute numbers.

And what are the assault statistics for trans women in men’s prison?

 

[kflo]

You're missing the point entirely again and again. You're so engulfed in bullshit you keep making up my positions and restating them. Slow the fuck down and try to use your head for more than a hat rack.

There are grifters and snake oil salesmen of all sorts all around the world. The few people you're talking about are no different. But they're a miniscule issue compared with almost everything else and especially compared with the amount of discussion that goes on about trans people in the War Room. It's fucking pathetic.

It's making a mountain out of a molehill relative to the things really affecting great numbers of people every hour of every day. The Youtube randos that get posted here, who hope to monetize their name with this bullshit are no better, and it amazes me you don't see that, but instead promulgate their crap.

I have 3 kids, 2 daughters. Our high school has thousands of students. I’ve never heard of a single trans kid in the school for any of them. I’ve never heard of a single incident. At work, it’s a complete non-issue.

Yet on sherdog WR you’d think it’s the most pressing issue of our time. It’s mind boggling.

 

[Halifax]

Let's just be clear about one thing. I don't give clicks to Youtube randos trying to monetize bullshit like "Trans Ideology". Get that through your head. I'm not helping any of those cunts make money. Is that clear? Their graft is not worth a flying fuck to me.

They're no better than Dr Oz. And neither is your post.


I'm betting a nickel they had their stomach pumped immediately after lol. FTR only tagged you in because I mentioned the place. You can git now while the git'ens good. This is a shit thread.

I didn't even read. I just saw "halifax Harbour sewage" and I rolled that out lol

 

[terrapin]

You're missing the point entirely again and again. You're so engulfed in bullshit you keep making up my positions and restating them. Slow the fuck down and try to use your head for more than a hat rack.

There are grifters and snake oil salesmen of all sorts all around the world. The few people you're talking about are no different. But they're a miniscule issue compared with almost everything else and especially compared with the amount of discussion that goes on about trans people in the War Room. It's fucking pathetic.

It's making a mountain out of a molehill relative to the things really affecting great numbers of people every hour of every day. The Youtube randos that get posted here, who hope to monetize their name with this bullshit are no better, and it amazes me you don't see that, but instead promulgate their crap.

I agree with you but you accused these two women of capitalizing on it but you did that without ever listening to them. And I think it's impossible to come to that conclusion if you really listen to them. But you've been arguing against them and their positions that I've promoted in this thread even though you won't intellectually look into it.

I just can't relate to it. You sound so tribal that it's unbelievable.

And you sound like the uneducated people on the right frankly, which is heartbreaking.

Bottom line is you should have never commented on my positions on these women unless you were going to listen and you should have never ever put me in the category of right-wing bigots because that's not who I am and it's not who either of these women are.

It sounds like you don't really want to discuss this issue or look into it and maybe you shouldn't comment on it because of that?

 

[terrapin]

Not sure why this was your reply to what I said.

But how many women in prison are in for sexual assault, and how many of them are trans?

How many sexual assaults in woman’s prison are committed by trans women compared to cis women, and male prison workers?

Not %’s, absolute numbers.

And what are the assault statistics for trans women in men’s prison?

Listen to those videos and find out. Especially Helen Joyce who has a PhD in mathematics and crunches all those kinds of numbers... you know, the one that all the liberals on this thread are saying doesn't matter because she's not a real expert. .. it's actually a bigger problem than you think. That's why I found Helen Joyce very very important on this issue because she's a mathematician and she crunches the numbers and the data very well.

50% of trans people in American prisons have rape on their record. It's 58% in Great Britain.

But even with those statistics, i don't know anybody who's claiming trans people are more dangerous than men because those statistics don't actually prove it because there have to be other factors to consider obviously. It would be wrong to assume that just being trans makes you more likely to have sexual assaults without looking into every other factor.

What is being proposed is that men are dangerous to women and should never be placed with women. Whether they are regular men or trans makes no difference. But based on these statistics, it is possible although not proven that trans people are more dangerous than regular men to women. But that number doesn't matter because they are men and being man is what makes them dangerous frankly.



The numbers of women who have raped and who are in prison are low. Mostly when women are in prison for sexual ceimes it's in support of a pimp or a phile or a child porn operator who is a man.


If my original reply did not quite track with what you said, it's my fault and I apologize.

 

[terrapin]

I have 3 kids, 2 daughters. Our high school has thousands of students. I’ve never heard of a single trans kid in the school for any of them. I’ve never heard of a single incident. At work, it’s a complete non-issue.

Yet on sherdog WR you’d think it’s the most pressing issue of our time. It’s mind boggling.

We are told it's a massive issue pressing enough to change the entire way we conduct our business in sports, bathrooms, womens shelters and prisons.

It can't be had both way. It's either a big deal or it isn't.

Some transactivists even propose getting rid of the designation between male and female to solve the problem. It's a joke to pretend it's not a big issue. You have to have your head in the sand willingly to think that.

 

[Andy Capp]

Not sure why this was your reply to what I said.

But how many women in prison are in for sexual assault, and how many of them are trans?

How many sexual assaults in prison are committed by trans women compared to cis women, and male prison workers?

Not %’s, absolute numbers.

I'd like to know how many trans people are in any prison in the US period.

 

[kflo]

We are told it's a massive issue pressing enough to change the entire way we conduct our business in sports, bathrooms, womens shelters and prisons.

It can't be had both way. It's either a big deal or it isn't.

Some transactivists even propose getting rid of the designation between male and female to solve the problem. It's a joke to pretend it's not a big issue. You have to have your head in the sand willingly to think that.

You’re told? By who?

Again, I don’t see any evidence it’s a big issue in the real world. It’s not in school. It’s nto at work. I see no evidence it’s a big issue, other than online echo chambers.

Trans are a small minority in the world, and accommodating them outside the current framework isn’t that big of a deal most of the time. They’ve used their chosen bathrooms for a long time. It’s not a big issue and it’s allowed in majority of states.

Again, just saying “it’s a big deal” doesn’t make it so. In every day life it’s only a big deal if you personally have direct exposure.

 

[Andy Capp]

We are told it's a massive issue pressing enough to change the entire way we conduct our business in sports, bathrooms, womens shelters and prisons.

It can't be had both way. It's either a big deal or it isn't.

Some transactivists even propose getting rid of the designation between male and female to solve the problem. It's a joke to pretend it's not a big issue. You have to have your head in the sand willingly to think that.

Riddle me this. In the last 12 months have you come across any of these so called trans activists without having been notified/directed to them by these other people whom you think are worth listening to? And if so, in what context? More directly, how do you even end up consuming any of their monetized content unless you seek them out?

I never see any of that stuff whatsoever.

 

[kflo]

Listen to those videos and find out. Especially Helen Joyce who has a PhD in mathematics and crunches all those kinds of numbers... you know, the one that all the liberals on this thread are saying doesn't matter because she's not a real expert. .. it's actually a bigger problem than you think. That's why I found Helen Joyce very very important on this issue because she's a mathematician and she crunches the numbers and the data very well.

50% of trans people in American prisons have rape on their record. It's 58% in Great Britain.

But even with those statistics, i don't know anybody who's claiming trans people are more dangerous than men because those statistics don't actually prove it because there have to be other factors to consider obviously. It would be wrong to assume that just being trans makes you more likely to have sexual assaults without looking into every other factor.

What is being proposed is that men are dangerous to women and should never be placed with women. Whether they are regular men or trans makes no difference. But based on these statistics, it is possible although not proven that trans people are more dangerous than regular men to women. But that number doesn't matter because they are men and being man is what makes them dangerous frankly.



The numbers of women who have raped and who are in prison are low. Mostly when women are in prison for sexual ceimes it's in support of a pimp or a phile or a child porn operator who is a man.


If my original reply did not quite track with what you said, it's my fault and I apologize.

Again, men prison workers in female prisons have been a MUCH bigger threat and source of abuse than trans women. It’s not even close. Yet for some reason trans are the primary focus and enemy. And no comment about trans women in mens spaces and their risk.

Do you have links to the 50% / 58% rape stats?

 

[kflo]

I'd like to know how many trans people are in any prison in the US period.

Apparently in England and Wales it’s 6 trans women in women’s prison. Out of 168. The rest are in men’s prison.

 

[Andy Capp]

Again, men prison workers in female prisons have been a MUCH bigger threat and source of abuse than trans women. It’s not even close. Yet for some reason trans are the primary focus and enemy. And no comment about trans women in mens spaces and their risk.

Do you have links to the 50% / 58% rape stats?

These are the same sorts of people who used to think anytime a gay man said hi to them it was a come on. The push to assert "Trans people are groomers/sexual deviants/rapists" to the point of hysteria is just a rehash of "those n-words are gonna rape yer wimmen".

 

[kflo]

I'd like to know how many trans people are in any prison in the US period.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ways-incarcerated-men-s-putting-many-n1142436

This says there are 4,890 trans prisoners. 15 are in their lived gender prison. 15. 13 are trans women with women, 2 trans men with men.

 

[terrapin]

Again, men prison workers in female prisons have been a MUCH bigger threat and source of abuse than trans women. It’s not even close. Yet for some reason trans are the primary focus and enemy. And no comment about trans women in mens spaces and their risk.

Do you have links to the 50% / 58% rape stats?

Why not just ask a question rather than lie about me?

I'm in favor for massive prison reform, including not having men and women's prisons.

But that's just a form deflection anyway. why don't you address what I've said?

You rarely addressed anything I've said in this entire discussion frankly.