Kushner in Trouble

[Happiness]

No he’s not. Look at the mandate letter and show me where it says the investigation can shift scope and focus based on indirect behavioural inferences.

Many criminal investigations are botched for failure to pay attention to technical legal requirements.

Here

§ 600.6 Powers and authority.
Subject to the limitations in the following paragraphs, the Special Counsel shall exercise, within the scope of his or her jurisdiction, the full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney. Except as provided in this part, the Special Counsel shall determine whether and to what extent to inform or consult with the Attorney General or others within the Department about the conduct of his or her duties and responsibilities.

and here

ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

You're wrong dude.

 

[tonni]

good little sheep who ate up the propaganda just like they were supposed to.

Very ironic.

 

[Darkballs]

I think I understand what you’re saying. Assuming the relevance of negotiations with the Chinese and Quataris arose from facts uncovered during the investigation, then these facts are directly related. You have to start with the assumption of guilt to believe it. Or you have to have trust in the investigation and take it on faith. The reason I’m not there yet is the dots have not been publically connected. I prefer to start with the nul hypothesis and the presumption of innocence until the evidence convinces me otherwise.

Sure. But I'm not saying that Kushner is guilty. No charges have been brought yet, so no one can do anything other than speculate. All I'm saying that it's perfectly acceptable for the investigation to broaden in such a way, as certainly Mueller was looking into any financial transactions that could have implicated the trump team into working with russians. So it isn't odd to think that if he found other suspicious transactions, that he wouldn't look further into those as well.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Very ironic.

bobgeese would follow trump right into a wind turbine.....

 

[Darkballs]

Evidence of this "support" becoming illegal? Receiving info isn't illegal

Russians can "support" whomever they wish. That doesn't instantly make that person a criminal. Surely you see the absurdity in that

Intentionally mischaracterizing events is both dishonest and stupid. The accusations aren't that Russians "supported" someone. It's that they intentionally interfered with our electoral process. And there are laws against that. And if any American knew that's what they were doing, and assisted or withheld that information, then they would be guilty of conspiracy.

That's what Mueller is building his whole case around (you know, the one that's already resulted in numerous criminal charges and guilty pleas from the trump administration) and why Jared, with his "if you have that information, we'd love to have it" email, is likely fucked.

 

[DanMMAleague]

It's as if the school crossing guard started trying to hand out speeding tickets.

You are comparing the guy who was the head of the FBI for 10 years with a distinguished resume to a school crossing guard? Seriously?

 

[Throttlehead]

Here

§ 600.6 Powers and authority.
Subject to the limitations in the following paragraphs, the Special Counsel shall exercise, within the scope of his or her jurisdiction, the full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney. Except as provided in this part, the Special Counsel shall determine whether and to what extent to inform or consult with the Attorney General or others within the Department about the conduct of his or her duties and responsibilities.

and here

ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation

You're wrong dude.

Also, Trump appointed Rosenstein has to agree, which he obviously did.

 

[Throttlehead]

Intentionally mischaracterizing events is both dishonest and stupid. The accusations aren't that Russians "supported" someone. It's that they intentionally interfered with our electoral process. And there are laws against that. And if any American knew that's what they were doing, and assisted or withheld that information, then they would be guilty of conspiracy.

That's what Mueller is building his whole case around (you know, the one that's already resulted in numerous criminal charges and guilty pleas from the trump administration) and why Jared, with his "if you have that information, we'd love to have it" email, is likely fucked.

Don Jr. not Jared

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Intentionally mischaracterizing events is both dishonest and stupid. The accusations aren't that Russians "supported" someone. It's that they intentionally interfered with our electoral process. And there are laws against that. And if any American knew that's what they were doing, and assisted or withheld that information, then they would be guilty of conspiracy.

That's what Mueller is building his whole case around (you know, the one that's already resulted in numerous criminal charges and guilty pleas from the trump administration) and why Jared, with his "if you have that information, we'd love to have it" email, is likely fucked.

Lol so saying you're going to give somebody information is a crime Now? Good luck with all that. You'll get some random ass "failure to disclose" and maybe some perjury, but the charges you leftists drool over aren't there

 

[Throttlehead]

Pergury was/is expressly included in both mandates.

On what subject in the investigation did he perjure himself, was it whitewater ?

 

[andnowweknow]

We shouldn't have to dumb this down that much for you. You're asking, why, if Mueller was allowed to investigate into financial crimes with Russia, could he not extend that to other nations when he found financial crimes there.

Are you arguing that the two are not substantially related because of a difference in nationality? That would be retarded.

Probably something a trump lawyer would argue though. "You honor, law enforcement was only authorized to find my clients criminal ties to one guy, but they found the same criminal ties to another guy. That's totally unrelated and all evidence should be discarded."

Beyond retarded...I'd invoke "Plaid retarded" if you will.

 

[Darkballs]

Sure but Meuller is not mandated to act on inferences based on patterns of behaviour. He needs direct connections.

Again, no he doesn't. All Mueller needs is to be lawfully within the scope of his original investigation and it's fine if he finds evidence of other criminal activity.

Look at it like a search warrant. The warrant needs to be lawful and limited in scope. So you can't from the get go exceed the boundaries of that warrant. But if you do find evidence of different illegal activity, you can still legally obtain it. So if I wanted a search warrant for your house because I had probable cause to think you committed a bank robbery, I would lay out my case probable cause for what I expected to find at your house relating to a bank robbery. So lets say, I can lay out a case that I'm likely to find the gun used in the robbery at your home. Then, while conducting my lawful search of your home, I find a suitcase full of cocaine. I wouldn't be obligated to disregard the drugs. They would have been found during a lawful search.

What I couldn't do, and you're right here in regards to scope, is in the same scenario where I only had a search warrant for your house, would be to go search your buddies house across town. That would be outside the scope of my legal grants and any evidence would be thrown out.

Just because Muller found something (somewhat) unrelated to coordination with russians, does not make this unlawful. The argument hinges on whether or not it was within the scope of his prosecutorial powers to be looking into members of the trump campaigns finances when he found this evidence in regards to another matter. And looking into finances to see if there was any coordination, was certainly within that scope.

 

[Throttlehead]

Lol so saying you're going to give somebody information is a crime Now? Good luck with all that. You'll get some random ass "failure to disclose" and maybe some perjury, but the charges you leftists drool over aren't there

Your level of understanding while inserting yourself in a topic is mind blowing.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Your level of understanding while inserting yourself in a topic is mind blowing.

Say something pertinent or keep shitposting. Makes no difference to me.

 

[Throttlehead]

But you can’t make it answer a question.

 

[Darkballs]

Intentionally mischaracterizing events is both dishonest and stupid.

Lol so saying you're going to give somebody information is a crime Now?

Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

You'll get some random ass "failure to disclose" and maybe some perjury, but the charges you leftists drool over aren't there

No, you'll get multiple counts of conspiracy that can be added up consecutively. Ask all the members of the mob who went away for decades if they think it's no big deal. And he's still building his case dipshit.

 

[Throttlehead]

Say something pertinent or keep shitposting. Makes no difference to me.

When something pertinent is said, you dont seem to grasp it.

 

[Darkballs]

Don Jr. not Jared

You're right. It gets hard to remember which member of the administration committed which crime at this point.

 

[Throttlehead]

You're right. It gets hard to remember which member of the administration committed which crime at this point.

Its almost as if it couldn't be real, and I believe this is just the beginning. Once all the money laundering and finance stuff comes out, people wont even believe they have been duped this bad by some high priced NY grifters.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

I could say that right back and we'd go in circles.

No, you'll get multiple counts of conspiracy that can be added up consecutively. Ask all the members of the mob who went away for decades if they think it's no big deal. And he's still building his case dipshit

We shall see. As of now, you sure don't have much to drool over