Kron is trash

[Paladin]

I get the whole Gracie lineage thing, and the name, the prestige if you will, of course hes dangerous on the ground but he's an awful mixed martial artist. Amateur level. Doesn't deserve to be a pro.

Tell me I'm wrong.
Get him the fuck outta here.
Trash

He met a buzz saw!

 

[Gamer007]

We already knew this didn't we?

I think it's pretty cool he can survive for a bit off BJJ alone.

 

[no fat chicks]

any gracie would get done like that by him they are easy fights bjj doesnt work anymore

Bjj isn't just pulling guard you idiot. Bryce is also a bjj centric fighter. If he wasn't he would've been armbarred immediately.
Strikers getting knocked out doesn't have people saying omg striking does work!

 

[no fat chicks]

We already knew this didn't we?

I think it's pretty cool he can survive for a bit off BJJ alone.

I mean we had Damian Maia, Jacare, Werdum and autist Ryan hall doing it a lot better

 

[mkt]

Oh there was always catch wrestling and shoot fighting as Pancrase was the Japanese version of UFC, and my point wasn't that the Gracie's would forever rule over the combat world but that now they are almost cut out entirely from the sport because they exposed to much as what they knew, they aren't getting exposed because of Judo and catch wrestling no it's because non Brazilians have mastered BJJ to such a point that it has been made into more of an accessory to other things, I would go as far as to say wrestling is more important and better than BJJ in 2024 because so many know how to shut down BJJ by knowing it, you can thank the explosion of mma schools mostly BJJ themed for that.

The problem was they had 2 competing goals when they started the UFC

1) Design a tournament they could win and dominate for a while. I'm not sure how long they thought Royce would win UFC tournaments and fights, but I'm pretty sure it was longer than his 13-month win streak (his fight after that was a draw with Ken Shamrock then he left).

2) Push the GJJ brand hard in VHS tapes, schools, merchandise, etc.

The problem is the second goal guaranteed a new group of guys learning their style. Some of these guys would clearly be better athletes than the Gracies and have experience in wrestling, kickboxing/boxing/karate/etc. This undermined their first goal. I don't think they counted on guys like Sakuraba, the Lion's Den and others adapting their own grappling and style to the point they didn't need to learn GJJ from the Gracies.

 

[Royce Greasy]

I trained briefly with some former judo guys in the mid-90s who used the Gracie VHS tapes and even started doing some boxing and MT. The sport caught up with the Gracies well before the 2010s, as evidenced by Sakuraba beating them and guys like Frank Shamrock (who never trained in official BJJ) being as dangerous in the guard as any Gracie by around 1997. Of course, MMA and BJJ wasn't in small towns everywhere like now as you mentioned. But even mid-sized city schools who were open to new things started incorporating "NHB" in the 90s.

Oh there was always catch wrestling and shoot fighting as Pancrase was the Japanese version of UFC, and my point wasn't that the Gracie's would forever rule over the combat world but that now they are almost cut out entirely from the sport because they exposed to much as what they knew, they aren't getting exposed because of Judo and catch wrestling no it's because non Brazilians have mastered BJJ to such a point that it has been made into more of an accessory to other things, I would go as far as to say wrestling is more important and better than BJJ in 2024 because so many know how to shut down BJJ by knowing it, you can thank the explosion of mma schools mostly BJJ themed for that.

The problem was they had 2 competing goals when they started the UFC

1) Design a tournament they could win and dominate for a while. I'm not sure how long they thought Royce would win UFC tournaments and fights, but I'm pretty sure it was longer than his 13-month win streak (his fight after that was a draw with Ken Shamrock then he left).

2) Push the GJJ brand hard in VHS tapes, schools, merchandise, etc.

The problem is the second goal guaranteed a new group of guys learning their style. Some of these guys would clearly be better athletes than the Gracies and have experience in wrestling, kickboxing/boxing/karate/etc. This undermined their first goal. I don't think they counted on guys like Sakuraba, the Lion's Den and others adapting their own grappling and style to the point they didn't need to learn GJJ from the Gracies.

It wasn't non-BJJ guys that were the problem for the Gracie's it was the the American guy that learned from their first gyms in the U.S, they spread it around North America over a period of 20 years teaching teens who became black belts and built upon the style to what we have nowadays.



People like Frank Shamrock don't give a shit about BJJ and there was an interview with Jeremy Horn I think on the Lyte's out podcast, in it Horn mentions his fight with Frank in the late 90's and how easy it was to pass his guard and just work him over and that Jeremy was so shocked at how easy he was dominating him that he wasn't taking it seriously because he was overwhelmed and expected to lose because of Frank's reputation which led to Horn letting his guard down and getting leg locked.




To further prove this point Frank fought Renzo in like 2008 or 09 I believe and again Renzo easily dominated him, Frank was a catch wrestler not a BJJ guy and really not a threat to BJJ itself again it was the American guys that learned earlier from the Gracie's and Machado's, Ribiero etc, that would go on to advance it and incorporate it into mma thus making it almost obsolete in the current day.




It is very true that the Gracie's didn't count on more athletic guys learning and evolving as an accessory, the main point I'm trying to get across here is that without the proliferation of these schools across America this process would have taken much longer to occur.

 

[BigOlJeet]

Overrated can, just because he carries the Gracie name doesn't make him an automatic BJJ God.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I get the whole Gracie lineage thing, and the name, the prestige if you will, of course hes dangerous on the ground but he's an awful mixed martial artist. Amateur level. Doesn't deserve to be a pro.

Tell me I'm wrong.
Get him the fuck outta here.
Trash

I would of argued with u yesterday..

But he clearly tried to just not fight and get paid..

He deserved to be knock the fuck out...he threw dirt on his fathers name tonight...


I will not speak highly of him or his clan anymore after tonight...there finished with no real MMA prospects...

I dont even think there doing anything major in BJJ these days either...

Times have changed...their star has officially faded...

 

[Sms_productions713]

Gracies should stop doing MMA. It's over.

Neiman might be the best one skill wise and he still fights like a 90s fighter lol

Kron showed up for a check to invest to his gym lol showed up for a check most obvious

Best way to describe a Gracie trying to make it this day n age

 

[Mind Mine]

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This guy ran a group called the 'Danaher Death Squad'.

Because he can totally like wreck your knee from 'Ouside Ashi Guard', so BE CAREFUL.

As long as you don't punch him in the face.

Being as fighters actually trained with that group this is kinda lame

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Overrated can, just because he carries the Gracie name doesn't make him an automatic BJJ God.

in pure grappling he is all that, in mma grappling he is a stinker - because he sucks as an mma fighter. I'm glad he got ko'd.

 

[Adamant]

Kron definitely sucks. But I hope UFC keeps him around for the lulz.

 

[djason1988]

any gracie would get done like that by him they are easy fights bjj doesnt work anymore

"Bjj doesn't work anymore". The main event ends with a bjj guy jumping the back and choking bro unconscious. Even before your post, luque choked gorimbo out cold with an anaconda. Kron is a terrible mma-ist, but bjj slander is crazy in this sport.

 

[NextGen]

He's not UFC caliber. No point keeping him around just for his last name when nobody wants to watch him fight.

 

[DrawK]

Isn't it true Rickson never trained him? Fucking stupid.

 

[Yashabo]

The Gracies were like 60% martial artists and 40% conmen, I thought this was well established already. Doesn't mean they weren't skilled or pioneered modern martial arts, mind you.

 

[Poirierfan]

i agree man. that stand up was trash tier for "pro" level.

You could tell he learned standup from watching Royce too much. Lol

 

[mkt]

The Gracies were like 60% martial artists and 40% conmen, I thought this was well established already. Doesn't mean they weren't skilled or pioneered modern martial arts, mind you.

They spent 70-80 years growing and evolving their martial art then pretty much stopped all progress when they got on the world stage and competition got much tougher.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

By itself, no.

It's still a fundamental component of MMA training for a reason, though. You have to know how to defend the basic submissions so you don't get caught with something stupid.

That said...

It turned into a ridiculous parody of itself. No-gi matches might be the dumbest thing I've ever witnessed with all the butt scooting and dumbass positions people put themselves in. BJJ has damn near turned into the 'Harley Davidson' of this generation. A way to pretend 'tough guy' without ever having to take a shot to the grill. Same thing happened with Karate in the 1980s.

If you're not training to defend punches, you're not a fighter. End of story.

I agree 100%

Of course, good BJJ fundamentals also help prevent punches too. Staying close to your opponent, keeping heavy pressure when on top, head positioning to where the opponent has no room to strike. A lot of the modern BJJ stars are great off their backs in BJJ fights but they lack the abilities in MMA to minimize strikes and hit sweeps or submissions off their backs.

Kron is more accomplished in the world of BJJ than Big Nog but he does not possess Nog's skills and experience being on bottom in an MMA fight and in MMA training. Nog had great wrist control, over hooks, and pulling the opponents head down and breaking their posture. And then of course Nog was on a different planet than pretty much all other BJJ fighters when it came to sweeps and submissions off his back. Nog and Maia were so damn good in half guard. Nog and Werdum were so dangerous in a full guard. These guys had a lot of experience. Kron was great in IBJJF but never built up to that in MMA.

Kron started his career as a great prospect in Japan and then even submitted Alex Caceres in the UFC but never improved his skill set since then. He needed to drastically improve his striking and takedowns. Then he becomes so inactive.

He only has like 8 fights. I would have loved to see him brought up slower through the regionals, gaining experience, while training at a real top camp. Some of the best coaches in the world could have helped Kron become a 10x better fighter than we see now. I am disappointed because he actually had a lot of great potential.

 

[AmonTobin]

Maybe somewhere deep in the UFC sale records there was a stipulation that a Gracie had to be in a numbered event at least once every 10 years.