Kosoto gake for BJJ?

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Uchi Mata

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Does anyone use this throw much for BJJ? I've never used it much in Judo but it appeals to me for BJJ since it's fairly safe and often leads to a good side control. Does it work well for anyone?
 
I use it a lot no gi from an over/under clinch when I can lock my hands. I go for it on my "over" side, but I have to get him moving in the right direction, or off balanced just right, and time it well. Very effective in those situations though. I actually picked it up mostly from watching the Nogueira brothers and Dan Henderson, both of whom have used it to great effect in MMA, and who I was a big fan of as a white belt when I started using it.
 
Actually now that I think of it, if I get the timing right I really do it a lot when I can't lock my hands, just as long as I have a good grip on the overhook side, usually grabbing at the tricep.
 
This was one of the first throws I learned in BJJ class when I first started. I use it a decent amount. I think I force it too much instead of timing it right though.
 
I love Kosoto gake, he'll when ur lucky you'll land in mount, but yeah I do it over under without locked hands because your not allowed to lock hands in judo anymore.
 
FSUfightfan06 said:
I love Kosoto gake, he'll when ur lucky you'll land in mount, but yeah I do it over under without locked hands because your not allowed to lock hands in judo anymore.
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Seriously? I mean not that I compete in Judo frequently or otherwise care, but that seems odd to me. What's the concern?
 
Yeah that's a good one! I train Judo and BJJ and I find Judo sweeps are usually better than alot of the throws for a BJJ setting. Lots of Judo throws give your opponent your back so when they block your throw you're almost already screwed. Although, I set up a nice O Goshi combo to O Uchi Gari. Just drop to your right knee and grab your opponents left knee (assuming you're throwing right) push it down and hop over into side control as he's falling. Or if he's really aggressive and pushing into me I almost always use a taiotoshi... deadly and it sets you up for an instant armbar, or kesa gatame.
 
SuperSuperRambo said:
Seriously? I mean not that I compete in Judo frequently or otherwise care, but that seems odd to me. What's the concern?
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I think it is illegal, though frankly it's irrelevant because if you can dominate grips enough to lock hands with the gi on, you probably would have already thrown them. I have literally never seen anyone lock hands except perhaps on an ura nage counter, and I've watched a tremendous amount of Judo.
 
Its a great throw for gi and no-gi. I use it more in no-gi. If you do it with the proper amount of control the throw will land you directly in mount or alteast half guard.
 
Uchi Mata said:
I think it is illegal, though frankly it's irrelevant because if you can dominate grips enough to lock hands with the gi on, you probably would have already thrown them. I have literally never seen anyone lock hands except perhaps on an ura nage counter, and I've watched a tremendous amount of Judo.
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Good point. But at the same time if it rarely comes up I don't see the need to ban it.
 
i hit kosoto gake in my first bjj match, but it was a beginner white belt match so take that with a grain of salt
 
I do this move alot in wrestling with a body/bear hug lock or off a fail single/double, usually i end up on a half mount or side control. I can't really pull it off in Judo though...
 
My favorite time to use it is when I have guard and my opponent stands, bringing me up with them. I make sure my grips are good, maybe pull myself up a little, then go for it. More of a kosoto gari than gake.
 
Rod1 said:
I have never read about such a rule.
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I would think the resident Judo troll would know the rules of the sport. It came out a little after "initial leg grab ban." As far as I can tell it exists for the one mongolian and one uzbeki who do it.
 
Ko Soto Gake is actually my best, highest % technique in Judo. It's very very good as a counter and I combo it off of an O Uchi where they avoid by stepping back.

This works better the deeper they are bent over (therefore great vs. basic BJJ stand-up stance), and a good over-the-back grip. (For a leftie) O Uchi with the right leg, stop foot close to under their center as they step back to avoid the O Uchi. Your foot should now be right under them and pointed right through their triangle. Quickly switch direction to the way your foot is pointing, pull back hard with the sleeve grip while pushing with the lapel/back grip like you are rolling them over the front support leg. Hook the front support leg with your left as you switch direction. Reap back while rolling them over that leg.

The more I emphasize the quick change in direction, the better it works. Forward fast with the O Uchi and hard left into the Ko Soto, bounce off that right foot.
A word of caution though, done right this hits very, very hard and it's one of the few techniques that I will only drill with a crash pad so I end up with friends at the end of practice.
 
Normot said:
I would think the resident Judo troll would know the rules of the sport. It came out a little after "initial leg grab ban." As far as I can tell it exists for the one mongolian and one uzbeki who do it.
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Help yourself and point out, i wont read the rules for any troll that justifies his butt flopping by throwing shit at judo

International Judo Federation

If it exists its indirect or pretty obscure and if i didnt paid particular attention is because getting to that point in judo is so redundant, its pointless.

But behold i forgot you had a seat in the referee meeting that made such rules considering you also know about why it was banned.

Some uzbeki and mongolian dude, because you know they are such small countries.
 
Uchi Mata said:
I think it is illegal, though frankly it's irrelevant because if you can dominate grips enough to lock hands with the gi on, you probably would have already thrown them. I have literally never seen anyone lock hands except perhaps on an ura nage counter, and I've watched a tremendous amount of Judo.
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I think a teammate got a shido last tourny for it. Former wrestler with only a couple months of Judo got double underhooks. The refs had to have a fucking conference to decide if it was illegal.

Might have been another rule but I don't know judo rules either.
 
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