Kickboxing vs muay thai.

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How different are the two styles? I have the option to learn both but I am wondering if I should just take Muay Thai and not kickboxing. Does kickboxing add anything or is Muay thai just better to learn?
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They are different because most traditional kickboxing arts don't utilize the knees & elbows like Muay Thai does. You can't go wrong training Muay Thai only. You will have a very well rounded stand up game.
 
learning kickboxing = learning to shoot a basketball but not to dribble
 
Muay Thai is simply a style of kickboxing that includes elbows and knees, and scores mid/ high kicks quite highly.

There are different styles of kickboxing, and the term is so general that you can't really say that it's different from anything. If you mean american kickboxing (aka full contact karate), then yes- MT is extremely different from it.

If you mean japanese kickboxing, then MT is similar in that you can use all 8 points, but all strikes are scored equally. Think k-1 with elbows and unabated clinch knees.

If you mean k-1 rules, then it is quite different from MT because elbows and knees from a 2- handed clinch are illegal. This style has also been referred to as "dutch kickboxing".

In general, the term "kickboxing" is too broad to be considered as 1 discernible style.
 
Biggest bullshit I've ever heard, where do you come up with that?

Lol, just thought it up as a smart ass remark. But honestly it depends on what you're going to be competing in...if its kickboxing rules train kickboxing, if its MT rules or something similar train those techniques
 
If you have the option to try both do so for versatility and to see who the best instructors are around you and where you can get the best training.
 
i always thought kickboxing and muay thai were the exact same thing except that in kickboxing you don't use elbows or knees.
 
between american kickboxing and muay thai? Very different.
First, for American Kickboxing, the use of elbows and knees are not allowed.
You cannot kick below the waist.
the stance is different. muay thai stance usually is not balanced. it's more of leaning ready for teeps and the body is more curved (stomach in).
in kickboxing, you kick with your feet, in MT, you kick with your shin.
clinching is seldom in Kickboxing
If you check out Kon Muay, you would notice a lot more difference (eg. using head flying parallel from the floor to the opponent's abdominal area - never seen in a true fight but is one of the MT moves).
 
I'm not sure which style of kickboxing it is. And the reason I asked if I should only go with one was if they taught against eachother. Like I know Muay thai you follow through on your kicks but I heard in kickboxing you don't follow through. Since I don't know standup that well I wasn't sure if there was a better one to learn. I was leaning towards Muay Thai because they incorperate elbows and knees but for punches and kicks I wasn't sure if kickboxing would be better.
 
...Like I know Muay thai you follow through on your kicks but I heard in kickboxing you don't follow through.
Not necessarily true. It depends on your trainers.
I was leaning towards Muay Thai because they incorperate elbows and knees but for punches and kicks I wasn't sure if kickboxing would be better.
Again, it all depends on who's training you. But if you want to learn how to clinch (and you should, if you ever plan to fight under MT rules), choose Muay Thai. That's the main thing "missing" from kickboxing.
 
Yeah. I think I'm just going to focus on Muay Thai for now because it offers more and maybe later try out kickboxing. Thanks for the help.
 
Kickboxing is very broad term. In my Kickboxing class we kicked with the shin but used a more boxing-like guard than the thai guard. We also practised low kicks quite often. The hand techniques were mostly western boxing with the addition of backfists.

Then again we also crosstrained in some clinch and knees.

What I'm trying to say is that thai boxing is a safe bet but that some KB schools could be just as good for MMA.
 
I can only base this off of my experiences as i have trained both kickboxing and Muay Thai for many years.

1. Kickboxers on average are volume punchers, punches in bunches, combinations, etc.... They also have more western style "slick" boxing in terms of punch defense (head movement & footwork) in contrast to Muay Thai where usually you would stand your ground & just shell-up to block or parry the punches and return fire or trap the arms & try to push forward to initiate a clinch battle.

^not to say Muay Thai guys can't learn this too, it's just that kickboxers focus on defending and using punches more because there's no clinch & because their sport is basically all punches and kicks which are scored equally, so being heavy volume punchers would benefit them alot in terms of scoring, while punching alot in Muay Thai doesn't necessarily help the scorecards.. So naturally your average kickboxer tend to be better 'boxers' than Muay Thai fighters, of course this isn't always the case, but it is alot of the time.

2. In kickboxing a variety of kicks are taught. Aside from your bread and butter roundhouse kick and push kick, kickboxers also regularly practice "less practical" kicks like spinning kicks & jumping kicks and such. Whereas Muay Thai fighters stick to the basics (roundhouse & teep to the legs/body/head) and spend alot of time perfecting them with lots of repetition, nothing fancy, just basic kicks that have a high percentage of landing on your opponent.

3. In kickboxing there are more preset combinations during padwork, in my school we did alot of preset combinations on eachother during padwork and partner drills, i think it has alot to do with the karate influence. Whereas in Muay Thai the padwork is less robotic and more interactive, simulating a real fight, you pick your shots when the pads are flashed or if your pad holder is real good you can just throw anything and he'll catch it, sometimes there are combos, but they tend to be very basic.

4. Muay Thai has lots of clinch wrestling which includes knees, elbows, throws & sweeps, kickboxing might have a little depending on the school, but in most cases they don't clinch wrestle. They might throw knees, but usually they are long outside knees without the clinch. They purely strike.

5. Muay Thai is Muay Thai (Kicks, punches, knees, elbows, clinch wrestling), whereas Kickboxing can take on alot of forms, some schools kick with the feet like TKD & Karate, some schools do mostly boxing with some kicks, some kickboxing schools teach low kicks, some don't (american kickboxing). Some have belt ranking systems etc...It's a huge clusterfuck, you can call almost anything "kickboxing" these days. Alot of "kickboxing" schools even call themselves Muay Thai even though they don't clinch, do padwork, or throw knees/elbows.


I say Just train traditional Muay Thai and learn some "real boxing" on the side to brush up on your hands a bit(you don't really have to if you're planning on competing strictly Muay Thai though, too much boxing is just asking to get clinched)....Kickboxing is so random and there are alot of teachers that come from Karate/TKD backgrounds or don't know shit about the modern kickboxing scene. Luckily my kickboxing teacher from the past knew his shit & trained guys like Maurice smith who fought guys like Hoost & Aerts, but it won't always be like that.
 
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Rules:

American kickboxing:
Punches & kicks allowed but no kicking below the waist or grabbing your opponent and clinching. No knees and elbows.

K-1 kickboxing & European kickboxing: Punches, kicks, knees allowed, but no holding on to your opponent's head to knee him, no elbows.

Scoring: 10 point must system similar to boxing where the rounds are tallied up. Punches & kicks scored equally. Strikes only scored if they land on the head, body, legs. Kicks are not scored if they land on the arms/shoulder because they are counted as blocked.

Muay Thai: Punches, kicks, knees allowed. In international competition elbows usually have to be mutually agreed upon (In Thailand elbows are the norm). Full clinching & Knees allowed.

Scoring: Muay Thai scoring is like no other striking scoring, it's a little complicated so bare with me...Keep in mind this is mostly about how Muay Thai is scored in Thailand.

Rounds 1 & 2 are not formally scored, but the judges keep mental notes on who was winning in those first rounds in event the later rounds are equal. The last 3 rounds are officially scored.

If you knock your opponent down, you are awarded a 10-8 round, if your opponent comes back strong & dominates the round after getting knocked knockdown, then he gets one extra point so it's 10-9.

Punches & Elbows are scored if they move, off-balance or cause an opponent to retreat or react with fear or pain, if they just land on the gloves or land without any effect they usually aren't scored. This comes back to why MT guys aren't heavy volume punchers, you don't want to come in with a long combination just to lose points because of a well-placed kick or knee.

Kicks are scored if they land solidly on the arms/shoulders, torso, head or legs. If the kick is checked by the leg, then it doesn't score. Middle kicks and high kicks tend to be scored higher than low kicks, for a low kick to score well it has to off-balance the opponent or cause him to show pain/fear etc...if you can catch your opponents leg and use a low kick to sweep his feet from under him then that would score high.

Straight knees score more than circular knees (in Thailand these tend to be the point rackers). Throws from the clinch are scored if they start or end with a strike. This is why you see alot of Thais trying to kick their opponents on the way down after throwing them.

So basically, off-balancing your opponent with any strike scores well, that's why Muay Thai fighters are always trying to stay on their feet & in balance & show no weakness in their face & body language when they fight, which also sways the judges.

In thailand, punches tend to be played down and scored less, whereas in Muay Thai outside of Thailand, Punches and Kicks tend to be held in closer esteem, provided they land.
 
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I would say Muay Thai is an authentic style while kickboxing is a competition platform much like MMA is a platform and not a "style."
Kickboxing is really just Karate or Tae Kwon Do with Boxing. Thai techniques may be included but seldom are.
 
I would do Muay Thai and when you're pretty decent learn some boxing...that's my plan anyway...
 
It all depends on the gym and the instructors. Do you know how many fake ass Muay Thai instructors with "Kru Certifications" in-hand have popped up all over North America since TUF 1?

First off, do a thorough background check of both gyms and especially the head instructor. Check their claims of records and certifications and take nothing lightly.

Second, go and see the instructors and their students in action. If they suck, that's a great indicator that the gym is useless. If they are awesome, then there's your answer.

Ten years ago, a Muay Thai instructor with REAL fight experience was rare and now, they are a dime a dozen.

Do research.

Even easier, which gyms are you looking at? Maybe someone here knows them both.
 
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