Khabibs top 15 GOAT list

[GOATtalks]

The absolute disrespect to Nogueira and Werdum

None of them are top15 GOAT list

 

[Marko Atanasovik]

Where would you include Khabib?
I would include him instead of Usman.

 

[matrixremaster]

Where would you include Khabib?
I would include him instead of Usman.

Based on actual ability, at the top.

Depends what Khabib's criteria for GOAT is.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

This is better than most, would be curious where he genuinely sees himself in terms of all time great careers though and I'm a little surprised he didn't try to slip Islam in at the bottom but fair on him for not. In 20 years there will be a lot more ov's and ev's in these lists.

Ability wise? I would say he puts himself along with Jones, Fedor and Gsp

All time? I would think he puts himself somewhere around DC or Henry, as he doesn't have the longevity

I personally think 5-10 is good for khabib, as he doesn't have the body of work to be really top tier

Skill wise and dominance? That's a different story

Imo definitely in the conversation for best ever,but needed a little more to be right at the upper echelon

 

[laleggenda27]

1. These "/" entries are nonsense.

2. Cejudo doesn't belong on this list. He has a good resume, but definitely not top 10 GOAT. He has 7 top 10 wins in his career, with all but one of them happening in the UFC's weakest division. There are guys below him who have significantly more wins against better opposition.

3. This is an example of why you can't take a fighter's list seriously. He has all of his friends (i.e., DC, Cejudo, Usman, Cain) way too high.

 

[Mammothman]

Solid list, as long Jones is #1 I have no problem

 

[HuskySamoan]

Ability wise? I would say he puts himself along with Jones, Fedor and Gsp

All time? I would think he puts himself somewhere around DC or Henry, as he doesn't have the longevity

I personally think 5-10 is good for khabib, as he doesn't have the body of work to be really top tier

Skill wise and dominance? That's a different story

Imo definitely in the conversation for best ever,but needed a little more to be right at the upper echelon

I think the lack of title defenses and the lack of quality wins from Khabib is a huge caveat, his dominant style of impsoing his pressure and grappling was against largely fighters who didn't have strengths in those areas which I think makes me look at his dominance differently than others might.

I have Khabib 7th all time, above Cormier and Cejudo but below Mighty Mouse and Aldo. Abilities wise, I don't know, I don't feel like we got to see those fights, but undeniably one of the best ever. I was just curious where Khabib would put himself.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

I think the lack of title defenses and the lack of quality wins from Khabib is a huge caveat, his dominant style of impsoing his pressure and grappling was against largely fighters who didn't have strengths in those areas which I think makes me look at his dominance differently than others might.

I have Khabib 7th all time, above Cormier and Cejudo but below Mighty Mouse and Aldo. Abilities wise, I don't know, I don't feel like we got to see those fights, but undeniably one of the best ever. I was just curious where Khabib would put himself.

Solid post and fair

I'm a huge fan and a little biased. If I needed to pick a fighter to fight for my life in their division? I'm picking khabib

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

When you factor in that he has relationships with Cain, DC and Fedor the list is pretty darn good.

As much as I love CroCop I have a difficult time ranking him ahead of Nog or Werdum.

Cejudo is one of the best but had a short career. Very tough sell to me to have him ahead of Aldo who was more dominant for much longer.

Hard to have Usman over Izzy after the events of the last six months.

Hard to have Usman and Izzy comfortable in but no Volk right now too IMO.

Guys like Royce and Randy come down to personal preference on impact.


Solid list.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I think the lack of title defenses and the lack of quality wins from Khabib is a huge caveat, his dominant style of impsoing his pressure and grappling was against largely fighters who didn't have strengths in those areas which I think makes me look at his dominance differently than others might.

I have Khabib 7th all time, above Cormier and Cejudo but below Mighty Mouse and Aldo. Abilities wise, I don't know, I don't feel like we got to see those fights, but undeniably one of the best ever. I was just curious where Khabib would put himself.

Agree. At their best, Jones, GSP, Anderson, Aldo, DJ and Fedor were basically just as untouchable. And they did it longer.

 

[-Sideways-]

Hendo...lmao.

 

[BFoe]

Hendo...lmao.

Hendo is in my top 10. If you list as many names as Khabib did, I don’t see how you could not have Hendo there.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Not bad... & well thought out.
Aldo is a little low (as someone pointed out on my list not long ago) due to him still competing & beating valid contenderz) & I hadn't updated my list... but Jones is a work in progress & he & Fedor are tied atm for GOAT. Another HW win & Jones starts walking away with it.

My Brothehz... we cannot throw teh GOAT term around as if it doesn't mean anything and pin anyone's name upon it. We look at your work and you're either it or you ain't. Jones is about tied with Fedor atm and another win starts walking him away. Another on top of that creates distance.

Note: I've taken all of Fedor's lesser qualified fights into account with my rating. Also, lets not forget that Fedor was winning world championship Sambo titles during his MMA run. That's a major consideration in this discussion.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Solid post and fair

I'm a huge fan and a little biased. If I needed to pick a fighter to fight for my life in their division? I'm picking khabib

Me too, for my life I'd probably take Khabib over any LW in MMA history but I think early on in the UFC if Khabib fought guys like Khabilov, Burns, Diego Fereira (before he fell off at 37), Bendo (before he fell off) and there were others, hed have looked very differently and very possibly picked up an odd loss even. I've come to the opinion that Islam and Khabib probably would have lost more often if they were fighting in ACA than the UFC, the level of grappling, wrestling, those physical, grindy styles are more common and there's guys like Vartanyan and Ignatiev who've become very good at beating those styles too.

It's not hate, it's genuine curiosity, Khabib is a hammer and he fought a lot of nails stylistically, I'd have loved to have seen him face other hammers. I think if someone can handle his pressure and get up from bottom/stop takedowns reliably that's also at a world class level, he'd look like a very human fighter, very possibly still win but I just wished we saw it more.

In Russia MMA usually plays out 70% grappling and 30% striking, in the US, Brazil, UK it's more 70% striking. Beyond that the Caucasus fighters and Central Asians in general have way better levels of wrestling, a lot of their regional fighters who go nowhere still show better MMA wrestling than UFC fighters. The age of wrestling in the UFC died in the post GSP era, look at 2012 145, 155, 170, 185 and 205 were all filled with collegiate wrestlers in every top 15 and by around 2016-2018 it became rare to see more than 1 or 2 and a lot of them were just guys from the past era who stuck around, UFC stopped signing wrestlers from the US largely and the wrath of the Dagestanis hit those poor fucks so God damn hard, they weren't ready for it.

Okay I'll shut up.

 

[Queenofchaos]

This is dumb

 

[Young Winthorp]

Another guy who is considered one of the greatest fighters ever has Fedor at the top of his list.

Meanwhile the "experts" of Sherdog say Fedor sucks.


Hmmmmm....

 

[OldCasualBoxer]

Khabib belongs at the top of the list based on fighting ability but I'm glad he didn't mention himself.
Cheesy when fighters list themselves.

Khabib is a true student, coach and master of the sport.

In this case, i would have liked if he had included himself, he seems the type of person that would be able to have a fair assessment, so i would like to know how he sees himself in the GOAT list.

 

[RockyLockridge]

It's a good and sensible list, but Usman shouldn't be here. That's it everything else is fine, Though, cejudo and dc are too high for my tastes

edit:

At a second glace, it's a top 15 list with 20 fighters on it, hughes finshed penn and GSP and he's not top 20? I love edgar, but hughes higher than edgar.

 

[ovinaso]

That's honestly a really good list.
Close to perfect if you ask me.

I'd sneak Volk in there though.
Definitely above Cruz and Edgar in my books.

I never understood the obsession with Volk, he's a great fighter, nullifies his opponents strengths which leads to point scoring, decisions and boring contests, and his title reign is basically Max Holloway 3xtimes, Ortega and Korean Zombie.

 

[Handsome Goku]

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