Khabib never moved up, and killed himself to get to 155lbs

[Corrado Soprano]

I was talking UFC fights

Hypocrisy at its finest. Let' crow about Khabib's undefeated record (most wins against unknown, bad fighters outside the UFC) but for Izzy we'll just talk about UFC fights prior to his title shot.

Yeah, and most of them were unimpressive. The Yoel fight is one of the worst fights of all time.

He literally dominated all those fights.

Common myth.
Media - Khabib Beat 4 Future World Champions Before Joining The UFC | Sherdog Forums | UFC, MMA & Boxing Discussion

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Huge cope. Let's list some guys no ones heard of to try and prop up Khabib's deceiving undefeated record.

Just more title fights really, there is no way he has more impressive wins and better opposition, dude also coasts hard in most of his fights and is generally a professional point fighter.

The whole point of being a fighter is to win a championship and defend it as many times as possible. Izzy owns Khabib in this category. He's also fought better fighters.

 

[aali14]

Volk definitely surpassed Khabib, Izzy and Usman either tied or surpassed him

 

[markg171]

The GOAT is a subjective thing, it depends on what you value. Khabib haters are attempting to reduce the GOAT debate down to title defenses. This is a bogus standard. To me Khabib’s sheer dominance more than makes up for having only 3 title defenses. Nobody even got close to showing the dominance he showed.

Guys like Jones, Anderson, GSP, Mighty Mouse, and Fedor were all just as dominant if not more so early in their reigns too though.

But we've instead got to penalize them because they were eventually challenged 6+ fights into their reign? Meanwhile Khabib never got there at all?

That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[sdpdude9]

All original thoughts that don’t come up in every thread about him every other day. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Bork Neslar]

He's retired. It doesn't matter now.

 

[sonofjay817]

He was bigger than everyone he fought except Tibau, who many, including the UFC commentators, thought he lost to Tibau.

And he didn't defend his belt many times too... You can never put him in the P4P debate! Greatest LW ever? Sure, but never in that Jones, GSP, Silva, DJ and Aldo group


Aldo could have been 135 champ in his prime.... Silva fought many times at 170! Khabib could never make 145.

Interesting. Good post.

 

[PulsingJones]

Hypocrisy at its finest. Let' crow about Khabib's undefeated record (most wins against unknown, bad fighters outside the UFC) but for Izzy we'll just talk about UFC fights prior to his title shot..

I already compared Izzy's UFC fights with Khabib's :

Khabib got to the title after 10 straight dominant wins

But you willifuly ignored it to manufacture some claim of "hypocrisy"

He literally dominated all those fights.

Sure he did... He ran away from Yoel while getting a few leg kicks in... Repeated that strategy with the second Bobby fight too. Such dominance.

Huge cope. Let's list some guys no ones heard of to try and prop up Khabib's deceiving undefeated record.

The only ones overdosed on Copium are people crying over Khabib years after he cemented his GOATness

The whole point of being a fighter is to win a championship and defend it as many times as possible. Izzy owns Khabib in this category. He's also fought better fighters.

Nice made up definition... Not all paths to the title are the same ya casual

 

[Eater of Souls]

It was smart.

But it removes him from GOAT discussions realistically.

But unfortunately, people keep acting as if he's a GOAT or THE GOAT.

Just rattles people the wrong way is all.

I see people asserting that it removes him from GOAT discussions, which are themselves wholly subjective. So all it is is basically an opinion fest that serves no purpose, so I could care less. He fought smart, handled his career well. At the end of the day it is hard to match success like his. And that is not subjective in the least.

 

[markys00]

Don't they all?

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

It's fine to consider Khabib high up all-time as a function of his per-fight dominance, despite having fewer top wins than pretty much any other guy in that vicinity, but you also have to mentally curve his per-fight dominance compared to others as a function of him retiring in his prime and not fighting in older years past his prime like a Jones.

Jones looked invincible himself until his 6th title defense and didn't have a prolonged period of vulnerability until 2019-2020ish, eight or nine years after his dominant run started.

How does Khabib look as a 35 year old LW or 35 year old fighter who has to bump up to WW? We'll never know.

 

[markys00]

I always find it funny when people pretend losses don’t count toward legacy and conveniently only count the wins. Izzy got knocked out by pereira, beat by Jan, arguably lost the second fight to Whittaker, got bloodied and battered by Gastelum. Khabib is undefeated, never got knocked down, never bled, barely lost rounds. All that counts.

Easy to do with meh competition. And he arguably lost, too.

 

[MeatWagon06]

 

[Ibm]

Anderson fighting at 170 is crazy. He'd be cutting 70-80lb.. good god!

 

[BJJ4Tone]

Me knowing Khabib retired an undefeated champion and there's nothing anyone can do to change that...
No matter HOOOOOW HAAAAARD they try to diminish his legacy (for some fucking reason)

 

[Ibm]

"He lost to Hendricks"
"Never defended his belt at 185"

You're right about point 2 but he beat Hendricks man. It was just not the prettiest victory but he landed more effective strikes overall.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

I’m not a Kabby fan, but… I dunno, I can’t be mad a Khabib for setting himself up to be successful in life, add that he stopped fighting and retired only after the biggest motivating factor in his career literally died. He represented himself and his country well and seemingly has only been a positive influence on the sport of MMA, who gives a shit what his fanatical stans say.

 

[VinceArch]

who gives a shit what his fanatical stans say.

I agree with this but especially what his fanatical haters try to say as well.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Odd how the opposition main points are, just stop talking about it, it doesn't matter, on a MMA forum. lol. bitch, we going to talk about it and debate it until the end of time.

 

[VinceArch]

Odd how the opposition main points are, just stop talking about it, it doesn't matter, on a MMA forum. lol. bitch, we going to talk about it and debate it until the end of time.

 

[moosaev]

Guys like Jones, Anderson, GSP, Mighty Mouse, and Fedor were all just as dominant if not more so early in their reigns too though.

But we've instead got to penalize them because they were eventually challenged 6+ fights into their reign? Meanwhile Khabib never got there at all?

That's absolutely ridiculous.

GSP got knocked out by bum Matt Serra you fucking clown.

Also, you're penalizing Khabib because he didn't get a title shot until 10 fights into his UFC career, meanwhile Jon Jones got a title shot very early in his career. Silva got a TS in his second fight!! If Khabib got handed a TS on a silver platter like those guys he'd have 8+ title defenses.